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Old Jul 27, 2007, 01:15 pm   #42 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready
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ZNYFRH said:
You can put me on ignore now. You are clearly paranoid about the government taking over. There is nothing to support this other than you being scared. You can call it prepared, but in the end, it's because you are afraid of whatever it is you are preparing against.
LOL, ok Dr. Zen. ( I am glad this visit was free, I wouldn't have paid for the analysis you put forth. )

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ZNYFRH said:
I'm arguing my point quite clearly... that open carry of firearms is not beneficial and causes more problems than it starts.
Why is it not beneficial?

How does it cause more problems?

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ZNYFRH said:
You start in on Constitutional rights... this has nothing to do with the Constitution. I have no problem with you carrying a firearm. I have a problem with you carrying it in plain sight. That's why you're having a problem understanding me..
Go back and re-read the thread, I think you're mistaken.

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ZNYFRH said:
you are blinded by your need to soap-box about the rights and such... again. It gets old... you're like the Zhavric of civil rights. You copy-paste your same rhetoric regardless of its relevance to the topic.
Really? You have the option not to reply, or instigate if you feel I am not a debater of your "caliber". I didn't copy and past much of anything except when citing other websites that I referenced with links.

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ZNYFRH said:
So by all means... put me on ignore if you think I'm insulting you by saying you're either cowardly or paranoid.
No need to ignore you, as it doesn't upset me as much as it shows your obvious disrespect and lowers the quality of the debate. It's a shame you don't recognize that as a personal insult, when you directly attribute it to someone based on your opinion.

Are you saying that the term "coward" or "paranoid" aren't insulting when used in the contexts you used them in application to descriptions of me?

Are you saying they aren't personal, when directed at me?

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ZNYFRH said:
There are plenty of limitations on rights.
Quoted, from the Bill of Rights:

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....the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

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The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
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The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.
ZNYFRH, it would be you who would have to provide clear logical reasoning as to why the government would have the right to infringe upon the individual rights of a citizen.

It is you who alledge "open carry" is so dangerous, we should have laws preventing it based on ________________, even though it directly infringes on indiviual rights of citizens.


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