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Quote by: BobbyO  Good lord!
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Well, it's hard to discuss an issue when you assume all human motivations and knowledge would be on the brink of extinction in a less hierarchical, more egalitarian society.
That's an irrational assumption, and I know as much by logical deduction.
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Quote by: BobbyO It is extremely doubtful, since the anarchists here seem to
have absolutely no clue themselves what will be done.
Instead the Spanish Civil War is cited as an admirable
example, which at the minimum means only the pressures of
warfare and being annihilated is what is the great motivator
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This is nonsense. The Spanish anarchists would have thrived much better if they weren't being attacked. It wan't a necesssary condition.
In addition to this bizarre assumption, you
1. fail to research into the Spanish Revolution
2. assume they had no clue what they were doing
Those two things reveal your ideological bias.
Please read this and get back to me:
Infoshop.org - An Anarchist FAQ - I.8 Does revolutionary Spain show that libertarian socialism can work in practice? Quote:
"In Montblanc the collective dug up the old useless vines and planted new vineyards. The land, improved by modern cultivation with tractors, yielded much bigger and better crops. . . . Many Aragon collectives built new roads and repaired old ones, installed modern flour mills, and processed agricultural and animal waste into useful industrial products. Many of these improvements were first initiated by the collectives. Some villages, like Calanda, built parks and baths. Almost all collectives established libraries, schools, and cultural centres." [cited The Anarchist Collectives, p. 116]
"Preoccupation with cultural and pedagogical innovations was an event without precedent in rural Spain. The Amposta collectivists organised classes for semi-literates, kindergartens, and even a school of arts and professions. The Seros schools were free to all neighbours, collectivists or not. Grau installed a school named after its most illustrious citizen, Joaquin Costa. The Calanda collective (pop. only 4,500) schooled 1,233 children. The best students were sent to the Lyceum in Caspe, with all expenses paid by the collective. The Alcoriza (pop. 4,000) school was attended by 600 children. Many of the schools were installed in abandoned convents. In Granadella (pop. 2,000), classes were conducted in the abandoned barracks of the Civil Guards. Graus organised a print library and a school of arts and professions, attended by 60 pupils. The same building housed a school of fine arts and high grade museum. In some villages a cinema was installed for the first time. The Penalba cinema was installed in a church. Viladecana built an experimental agricultural laboratory.
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It wasn't only rural:
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In total, the "regions most affected" by collectivisation "were Catalonia and Aragon, were about 70 per cent of the workforce was involved. The total for the whole of Republican territory was nearly 800,000 on the land and a little more than a million in industry. In Barcelona workers' committees took over all the services, the oil monopoly, the shipping companies, heavy engineering firms such as Volcano, the Ford motor company, chemical companies, the textile industry and a host of smaller enterprises. . . Services such as water, gas and electricity were working under new management within hours of the storming of the Atarazanas barracks . . .a conversion of appropriate factories to war production meant that metallurgical concerns had started to produce armed cars by 22 July . . . The industrial workers of Catalonia were the most skilled in Spain . . . One of the most impressive feats of those early days was the resurrection of the public transport system at a time when the streets were still littered and barricaded." Five days after the fighting had stopped, 700 tramcars rather than the usual 600, all painted in the colours of the CNT-FAI were operating in Barcelona." [Antony Beevor, The Spanish Civil War, pp. 91-2]
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These accomplishments should impressive anyone in light of other things going on, and it simply makes sense innovation would have occured.
Grandpa h.