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Quote by: rmnunez On the costs of educating undocumenteds children in public schools or for the medical treatment of immigrant workers, the data is even less clear. Whatever costs must be reduced to some degree by efforts among the undocumented to conceal their presence, they don't make use of some services because these require the beneficiary somehow identify themselves and doing so would reveal their unlawful presence subjecting them to deportation.

Pure crap.
"The estimated annual cost to hospitals and other providers of emergency health care nationwide for illegal aliens is $1.45 billion. According to congressionally-commissioned research from the MTG Corporation, the annual cost to just the 24 counties along the border in Texas, New Mexico and California exceeds $200 million, and for Arizona's four border counties alone it's $32 million per year.

These unreimbursed costs, and other health-related issues, have put Arizona hospitals in a state of dire fiscal emergency. As a result, some have closed, or are in danger of having to close their emergency rooms and other services.

Copper Queen Hospital in Bisbee, for example, closed its ob/gyn department for several months because it had to provide labor and delivery services for illegal immigrants on an emergency basis and received no compensation. Maricopa County Hospital incurred uncompensated costs of over $1 million just to treat two burn victims."
Casa Grande Valley Newspapers Inc.

Quote by: rmnunez I've already noted how often Mexicans regain consciousness after an accident chained to a hospital bed, with deportation to follow as soon as they are ambulatory again.

Yeah, noted, but never substantiated except in rare instances. Let's see you document that claim.

Quote by: rmnunez The illegality in the undocumenteds condition stems exclusively from the way they crossed the border and usually this is the only unlawfulness the immigrant has ever carried out. Undocumenteds cross irregularly because they can't overcome the administrative complexities, delay and costs associated with compliance. Half the trouble is in securing the documentation the Mexican authorities require to issue a passport, the other half stems from the complicated regulations the US immigration authorities require.

More garbage. Merely an attempt to obfuscate the fact that we put limits on legal immigration. What country doesn't?? You continually push for "immigration reform" when what you really mean is removal of all restrictions on immigration.

Quote by: rmnunez Crossing the border without the formalities is not the same as burglarizing a home for many reasons; many do it, it is widely tolerated and even encouraged, authorities don't pay attention and even facilitate the process, they do not enter to steal and they contribute substantially.

You mean it's widely tolerated and encouraged by those that benefit from their cheap labor. It's certainly not tolerated and encouraged by the local carpenters here that are losing their jobs to illegals working off the books for less than minimum wages.

Quote by: rmnunez To acquire citizenship in Mexico united statians only need to; a) apply for a residence permit before whatever condition of their entry expires, b) renew that residence twice (once a year) and either marry a Mexican, have a child there, establish lineal kinship with a Mexican ancestor, or do something great for Mexico and express the interest in acquiring citizenship, or c) just maintain lawful residence for 5 years. To travel to Mexico with a visa is much easier than it is to the US, there are no quotas, they don't demand letters from employers on the impact of the visitor on the labor market, background checks don't go beyond checking wether the visitor is on the list of US State Department precluded travelled (about 350 thousand Muslim names).

Isn't that nice! Of course, you neglect to mention that U.S. emigres to Mexico are almost entirely retired people that bring their money with them, and the tourists that get visas are on vacation to spend money. Neither of the two classes of visitors are there to take jobs away from Mexican workers or take advantage of free medical care.