[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by Pooeypants,+--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (Pooeypants,)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteBegin-PhanthomOps, samsara15: Quote: "God or Jim Doodle or Jesus taught nothing, because a non-existent being cannot teach anything. We created God in the dawn of antiquity, out of human imagination." http://www.geocities.com/7life/Jesus.html The Writings of Flavius Josephus In Rome, in the year 93, the Roman historian Flavius Josephus published his extensive history of the Jews. In discussing the period in which the Jews of Judaea were governed by the Roman procurator Pontius Pilate, Josephus included this revealing account that shows that not only did Jesus of Nazareth live, but that He rose from the dead: [/b]

You're citing a source which happens to be written more than 60 years or so after your Messiah's supposedly death. Now if I were to write an account about someone from 60 years ago who I'd never meet before and only knew by word of mouth, how reliable would you take it as?[/b][/quote]

I agree, the quote by Josephus is grasping at straws and questionable by most historians. We do not have anything close to his original documents and they are considered likely edited. Josephus is a questionable figure known for exageration, fuging facts and turn coat.

As far as what is constitutes a reliable record of the would be the detailed records of the Roman suppression of the rebellion in the Holy Lands, which shows the true Roman detail for accurate records.