[Praxius]

Quote by: Kuldeep The real enlightened person does not require secondary substances (drug trip as you put it) to enjoy the reality, which always exist before us, but we are ignorant due to physical body bindings.

Never said it was "Required" which is why you didn't see me here recomending to try it. As I said, this experience has occured since while sober.... it just put my mind into the right perspective so to speak. Everything I experienced in that first Experience, are all still around me in life.... which is why I guess you could say I have a bit of faith in it, because it's all physically around me still...... think of Neo and how he see's the Matrix.... it's sure as hell not the same as that, but I've learned how to focus my eyes to see to the atom of things..... It's learning how to tap into something that always was there, as you put it.

Drug bits affect nerves and brain/mind variably, mainly disconnecting physical body temporarily, sometimes keeping mental self-conscious in tact. But, beginners have found these drug trips funny, amusing and helpful, if you want to take it that way. But I want to enjoy without any secondary help like LSD.

Well all the more power to you on that... I wasn't telling you to take it..... you asked, I responded in honesty.

Here's a question...... what doesn't affect nerves and brain function? If we eat, drink, take our vitamins, run, swim..... anything and everything around us in this world affects our minds and bodies in some degree or another.

People drink to get drunk, people smoke to reduce stress, people drink coffee to wake up..... people smoke dope to relax and have a good time..... people do things for many reasons.... you could be hard core into Heroin, but that wouldn't make me change my opinion on what you have to say and bring to the table.

Many many people we all look up to, who teach us, who make the music we listen to, the movies we watch and enjoy..... you could easily guess they were all on something at one time or another.

Anything moving does never always mean that it has life. See, a moving car is not having life. How could you say whatever moved around you, was alive!

It's all based on your perception as to what is life. Something may not be alive, but that doesn't mean it doesn't have "Life."

It is different story that in fact everything even non-living to us is also having life but of different type!

Exactly.... although we considder rocks, mountians, fire, planets, moons, etc. as all not being alive.... they are all made up of the exact same things we are made of..... atoms.... it all depends on the complexity those atoms when they come together....... we're just more complex then a rock.....

People say plants don't have brains or intelligence, etc.... however how does one explain how venus fly traps hunt? How come so many people report plants reacting positivly to certain kinds of music?

All right, agreed you had experience little different than a dream. In fact, even our waking stage is also a dream in that reality, which you experienced in detail!

Indeed..... one has to considder what is the "real" reality. Is this a sub reality prior to death's reality?

Is all of what we are experiencing just a part of one 15 min dream vacation we paid for? We're gonna wake up from it and all this life is gonna be just a memory like Total Recall?

Everything we see, feel, hear, taste, etc... even in dreams or not.... all have to some from the same sensory inputs were have been limited to in our lives.... if we trust what we see everyday from our senses..... why can't a small bit of truth come from and alternative method?

I am aware of such telepathy, but in dream. In that dream I had conversation with my dead father on 18th Day of death, through mind only. I too noticed, we were not moving lips but thoughts conveyed were in our mother tongue!

I think perhaps the connection between dreaming and being under the influence of something like what I was on, is all about imagination and the removal of society's limitations of it.

When I was a child, I seen and heard a lot of odd things.... too many things to explain right now..... I have a high imagination and I was creative... and people said it was all in my head. Over time, I eventually dulled my imagination from going through school, and work.

Most of the time now a days, if you see something out of the ordinary, our imaginations are so fractured from growing up, that we come to the quickest logical conclusion and dismiss everything else..... this limits understanding and you tend to dismiss things that are not commonly accepted. I just recently have been tapping back into my imagination and refreashing it..... I'm begining to find out that some of the things I thought were BS, might actually have something to them.

When people say Anything is Possible if you put your mind to it... I always thought it was a figure of speach...... but pretty much anything is possible..... it just depends on what you want to be possible.

Fine, understood! You have gone in step II where drug is not always a need. Being sober, you probably mean calm and free from worldly thoughts. I would say you must be getting so much engraved in your that peaceful state of the Experience that you must be forgetting even existence of your physical body before entering the stage of THAT EXPERIENCE!!!

I am not sure I understand what you are saying here. I haven't really changed who I am... and everything around me is still the way it always was.... nothing has changed in that..... just my perspective on it all has changed. I never forget where I came from or who I am/was..... if I ever forgot then I would chance repeating mistakes.

These experiences have more so opened my limitations up to accept new concepts and ideas in the world. I now can look back on times in my life where things didn't make sense, and now.... I can understand what happened, what went right and what went wrong..... it's as if a door was opened as they say....

I don't considder what I have experienced or how I live today as anything negative..... far from it.....

Yes sir, I got you what you wanted me to understand! I would tell you that your next step in reality would be when you find yourself present in whole universe/universes making you omnipresent, omnipotent etc., etc.

Huh?

Whatever you said is very true. The only thing, I would add that even illogical part (war etc.) is also property of big reality, which you experienced. Love, compassion, hatred, selfishness, greed, jealousy…so and so forth, all are the properties of human mind. This way, forming an individualistic ego or individual person. If one can out of personal ego, he merges with my SOMETHING!!!

They are all a part of us. The issue here I think is making things confusing, is you are trying to seperate the "Reality" I experienced with what you call "Big Reality" or the "Real Reality" ~ When I am trying to explain they are all the same thing at the same time.....

Actually last night after getting out of the shower, I was thinking back on this topic and my first experience and I pulled a memory out of that night and the experience.

The way I describes this Timeline and the path and all that..... it's true, but a part was missing from the explination.....

It's not that I was literally standing on the timeline, looking back and forth in time, it's not that I was physically or mentally traveling through existance...... Existance came to me so to speak..... I knew where I was, sitting in the bathroom.... and the amount of information that came my way kinda phased myself, current "Reality" as you call it, and everything in and around existance pushed itself all into one location... like I was a vacume.

Existance went inside out... like taking a deflated basketball and pulling it inside out so you see the black crap..... in that process you see all of what makes up that basketball and you see how it works.

Existance was outside of me, as it is right now for you and I..... but then when I looked into my arm, it all went inside and I was on the outside.... looking at the atom from the other side. While this was all here in my mind.... as I said.... it was all crammed and all connected..... I knew where everything and everyone was for a brief moment..... I knew what wars were on their way, why they have been started, when they will end..... who will live and die.... but it was just so much, so many faces, planets, names, creatures, stars, countries, everything.... I just remember it all as a blob.

And to be perfectly honest, if I didn't mention it prior in this thread originally.... I have a really bad headache for two days afterwards.

There is a balance and there is an order to things.... it's random yet fixed, based on how far out you want to relate one thing to the next.