[Kuldeep]

Quote by: Praxius Well I wasn't really trying to bash scientists. I was just expressing that Dreams and the sort are still an unknown overall.

Such things would remain always unknown due to metaphysical aspect involved while; science is having only physical tools.

Many spirit walkers, shamen and many others who follow similar teachings have always used other sources in nature and abroad to help give them enlightenment..... could it just be some drug trip? Perhaps, however these drug trips have helped them seek knowlege of the world around them, how to live in harmony with nature and live in not just simplistic, but peaceful way of life overall..... they must have been doing something right.

The real enlightened person does not require secondary substances (drug trip as you put it) to enjoy the reality, which always exist before us, but we are ignorant due to physical body bindings. Drug bits affect nerves and brain/mind variably, mainly disconnecting physical body temporarily, sometimes keeping mental self-conscious in tact. But, beginners have found these drug trips funny, amusing and helpful, if you want to take it that way. But I want to enjoy without any secondary help like LSD.

These followers of the Spirits, you may notice, tend to live for a long period of time. You usually see old and frail, but wise and strong hearted.

Yes, it is so because they are confident that they are not the physical body but something beyond! While; common man has full doubt about that reality.

Nope. At that time it was just my girlfriend of the time and myself. I went to goto the bathroom and while waiting for a dump, I just decided to look down at my arm. While on LSD or Shrooms you will notice that pretty much everything around you moves. Not like walking around or jumping at you moving.... just that everything has texture. everything has life. Everything is made up of atoms. and then my train of thought went from there and decided to ponder what exactly was an atom. and then that's when I got to see the other side of the Atom.... the inside. which we are in.... It was like suddenly being sucked into a black hole or vacume and then just going at that speed all the way until I came back, so to speak. In all, the experience probably lasted maybe 30 seconds... to maybe a minute.... it was fast, and it was a lot of info.

Anything moving does never always mean that it has life. See, a moving car is not having life. How could you say whatever moved around you, was alive!
It is different story that in fact everything even non-living to us is also having life but of different type!

Well I'm not trying to promote it or anything. You do with your own life what you feel you should do.

Very True!

You're jumping ahead of something you have not experienced to know. I understand completely when I am dreaming, hallucinating, etc. In order to do LSD and to not go mad, one must always be vigilant that whatever you experience, whatever you see, feel, hear, taste, etc. It's all a part of the LSD's effect. The only difference this time, is that this was not just tripping out for shits and giggles, when this all happened, everything lined up and everything made perfect sense. Why we are at war, why there is suffering, why there is joy. why we exist. It wasn't something I was studying or anything. It just came into my head, and at that point in my life, it made more sense and more logical reasoning than any current scientific explination, any religius theory, everything...... Hell, I could even understand where religions came from and how they related to what I was experiencing..... I could see how they could have interpreted some of the things I saw...... The only problem is that it was also an overload of information..... since it's been almost over a year now since the experience and the last time I attempted it.... I only remember bits and peices (The human mind is crap for storing memeory.) All I know is the feeling of peace with existance and where I was at that moment in time...... as if I was finally doing what I should, and being in the exact place I should...... not like fate..... just balance. Umm.... that's a good explination.... but once again.... I've tripped before, and I know when something is just there for fun, something is just there to freak me out.... whatever..... and then I know when something is being shown to me, like as in a spiritual journey, so to speak..... I never thought too much into atoms.... I know the basics....

All right, agreed you had experience little different than a dream. In fact, even our waking stage is also a dream in that reality, which you experienced in detail!

Opinion taken.... I know otherwise. This isn't just something that only I experienced.... two of the past experiences were also experienced by other parties who were there..... I tried to explain it to them after leaving the bathroom, only to accidentally pull some friggin telepathic thing.... where eventually they were finishing my sentances, and I would finish their sentances..... then I thought of something funny.... not moving my lips.... and then they'd start to laugh.... I asked them what was funny..... then they'd tell me word for word exactly how it was in my head..... when I got connected into this experience, as I realized everything in existance is connected..... I connected.... literally..... it was a two way medium.... and since once we all kind of figured out what exactly was going on, I brought what was in my head to them visually, and their eyes bulged, they covered their mouths and tried not to scream..... After they calmed down and I dropped my excitment.... we were so at peace, I never been so at peace in my life.....

I am aware of such telepathy, but in dream. In that dream I had conversation with my dead father on 18th Day of death, through mind only. I too noticed, we were not moving lips but thoughts conveyed were in our mother tongue!

And as I said above.... This didn't just happen with LSD, but also with just being sober, and smoking some pot once.....

Fine, understood! You have gone in step II where drug is not always a need. Being sober, you probably mean calm and free from worldly thoughts. I would say you must be getting so much engraved in your that peaceful state of the Experience that you must be forgetting even existence of your physical body before entering the stage of THAT EXPERIENCE!!!

I have no faith in anything.... I take what comes my way, I judge it and I hold to it if it seems logical until something else comes along that explains it better. Examples of this can be found in these forums when I eventually in a debate, modify my opinions from time to time due to new information. It's not something that constantly comes back when I want it to.... I never try to experience it on purpose most times.... it's a plain of comprehension so to speak...... you see things a certain way..... What you see is never the same, but the method in which you see it is.

Yes sir, I got you what you wanted me to understand! I would tell you that your next step in reality would be when you find yourself present in whole universe/universes making you omnipresent, omnipotent etc., etc.

Exactly... which is why I always say to combine all the religions, all the scientific explinations, all the cultural beliefs, philosophy, and "Free" human imagination..... and you come very close to the answer.... that's kind of what happened in this experience I had and there after...... All the religions and everybody is right.... but they are also wrong at the same time..... and this is why there is fighting, division, schisms, wars, separate countries, etc..... we are a planet divided between beliefs and ways.... Each religion and scientific belief is based on some forms of truth and so-called fact.... but everything that everybody else argues against, are the things they built up around those truths, that are not truths..... and this is where things become foggy and people are devided.... Only until we merge all ideas, combine all common factors in each to be deemed true, and reach a final conclusion of what we all consider the most logical, balanced method of understanding, do we come closer to stopping all the BS that's going on in the world.

Whatever you said is very true. The only thing, I would add that even illogical part (war etc.) is also property of big reality, which you experienced. Love, compassion, hatred, selfishness, greed, jealousy…so and so forth, all are the properties of human mind. This way, forming an individualistic ego or individual person. If one can out of personal ego, he merges with my SOMETHING!!!