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Quote by: Praxius That wasn't ment to be serious Lighten up.

Consider the mood lightened.

Quote by: Praxius However this is the second reported person who was affiliated with the site VampireFreaks.com.... the individual who shot up Dawson College last year boasted about doing it all over the site..... I just find this a bit of a similarity.

And now we're right back to ridiculous overgeneralizations based on a subjective view of "weirdness." Tell me, how many people on that site are NOT homicidal maniacs? Coincidence?

I got no problem with you cracking jokes. Just don't think that one's funny. No big deal.

Quote by: Praxius Tell me something..... what do you classify as a Slaughter? In the last few cases where the term Slaughter was used..... most of the victims were chopped up, decapitated, slashed, etc..... when someone does that.... chances are I don't want these people to get back out in 6 months because they were a kid..... Nobody's gonna learn anything in 6 months..... well not enough of anything to make them think "Oh gee.... chopping those people up wasn't a good thing after all."

I think "slaughter" is a hyperbolic term intended to appeal to emotions -- kind of like you saying she's going to get out in six months, along with your interesting take on the thought process of a convicted murderer being released. Personally, I don't know anyone who honestly uses the term, "Oh gee," so I'm not going to take your characterization as realistic.

Of course you don't want this girl out in 6 months. Neither do I. But I don't think life imprisonment is necessarily the right way to go either, even if she did !!SLAUGHTER!!! everyone in the house. I'd recommend a psychiatric evaluation, depending on the findings of the court, of course.

Quote by: Praxius Oh please... don't give me that "She didn't know any better" bs.... because so many here in Canada are so sick of that stupid defense.... it's one of the main reasons why the Canadian Youth Protection Act is being changed.... because way too many kids are getting away scott free with crimes any other person would be put away for......

Because you know she DID know what she was doing? You know that she was aware of the consequences of her actions? Based on what -- you're sick of hearing about people who are found not to be mentally competent? Tell me, in what way do your rolling eyes count as a reasonable argument?

I don't know if she was aware of the implications, or how much she was influenced by her boyfriend. I know that 12-year-olds cannot be expected to make mature decisions, and cannot be expected to resist the blandishments of adults, especially not their grown-up boyfriends. Trying her as an adult is already making the assumption that she is solely responsible for the murders, and I don't think that is a reasonable assumption. That's all.

Quote by: Praxius and it's quite the epedimic here in Canada..... way too many of the children know the system.... they know they can commit a vicious crime, spend a few months in jail, and are out again...... Oh and guess what? As soon as they hit 18 years of age and are considdered an adult....... any criminal records they had as a youth are destroyed and cleared from their records..... isn't that lovely? The kids here are not as stupid as you may think they are, and Citizens in Canada, including myself are becoming sick of the revolving door of justice for these kids.....

Yes, yes, very sad how many Canadian youths are slaughtering their families simply because they know there's a revolving door on the prison. I hate when that happens. But hey, that's why I slaughtered my family -- because I grew up in Michael Dukakis's Massachusetts! Willie Horton was my god!

Kids everywhere are stupid. That's why they have parents. That's why they have schools. And that's why they have juvenile court. Now: is there evidence that this girl was the originator of the plan? Then yeah, try her as an adult. But if she was coerced or in any way manipulated into the act by her boyfriend, then it's his responsibility, not hers. At least, that should be the base assumption.

Quote by: Praxius They get to do practically anything they want until they hit 18..... a few months in jail as a youth is more of a bragging right now a days then a lesson learned. I'm not trying to say she is absolutly guilty..... but if someone's entire family is killed in a horindous manner..... and there is enough evidence to charge someone.... then shouldn't the truth be revealed about what really happened? If she's innocent, then shouldn't everybody know so nobody continues any ignorant hatred towards her.... and if she's guilty, then shouldn't people know they caught the criminal? This isn't just an isolated incident..... maybe it is.... but at this point, it isn't known..... so the saftey of the public must be met. Personally, if I had an uncle, aunt and cousins killed by someone underage.... someone in my family, or out of the family but close to it..... I should have every right to know what happened...... keeping this private for her sake? Give me a break..... If she's guilty then she shouldn't have any rights to privacy..... if she's innocent, then she's got nothing to hide and should want her name cleared...... I know I would.

She's innocent until proven guilty. She's a child until there is reasonable evidence that she acted with an adult's decision making ability. I can't speak to how this case will turn out, but the starting point should be juvenile court. As for the media being allowed in, I don't think the mass media should be allowed into any trial, anywhere; justice should not be a Roman freaking carnival. But hey, if you're going to allow it, there's no particular reason to prevent it in this case. But safety of the public? Dude, that's why she's in jail. What difference does it make if her face is on the evening news? If she gets off, she's innocent and you have no reason to know her appearance; if she's guilty and therefore dangerous, she's in jail. What public safety issue is there?