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Old Oct 20, 2003, 02:59 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
Liquideye
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Your basically denying that we have any subconscious "mental" phenomena Waychel.

And as for the Artificial Intelligence philosophy you have, are humans not just programmed to react in a certain way? Like we see other people jump back, and cry out when they are burnt, so do we not just react that way from seeing this? Are computers any different? Why cant Fear, Anger simply be programmed into a computer?

My immediate answer to this is "Qualia"
Qualia are the "raw feels" we have, which a computer can never have. We feel pain, and react a certain way, but there is somthing else going on inside ourselves which we are aware of. We cannot deny this feeling

I am getting the impression you are leaning more towards Eliminativism Waychel. That all "spiritual" things should be eliminated in terms of scientific, empirical knowledge.

I come back at this by saying imagine a subject hooked up to a machine where we can see exactly what is happening in the mind (chemically, neurologically etc) at the time the subject says he is pain. The scientist can later on learn to read every thing the subject is experiencing by examining the brain. This agree with your point. However, imagine the subject is lying, they may be saying they are in pain and could actually, be mistaken. This could be for any number of reasons: Subject is lying, under the influence of drugs and perceptions are altered, they could be mentally handicapped where they are not totally aware of what is happening. Doesnt this totally deny the fact that the "spiritual entity" that is the mind is actually not a manifestation conjured up by the chemical brain?

BTW, i am not on any side, i just love a good philosophical debate :D


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