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Quote by: Hellsea  Coffee Saint, I honestly agree that torture should not be given lightly. Torture is not something that we can have done on every scum terrorist, but unfortunately there are times when torture needs to be used. Example.... many terrorists have such deep beliefs in their cause that they would rather kill themselves before giving away information. In that case, we aren’t going to simple be able to sweet talk our way to information. Sometimes extreme situations call for extreme actions. |
I'm not really qualified to speak on the means of gathering information, but I find it hard to believe that a single, suicidally dedicated terrorist is ever our sole source of information. If there's a cell, there is more than one person in that cell. There are people who supply the cell, who rent rooms to the cell, the cell members have friends and family -- and so on. If there were ever a situation when a single suicidally motivated terrorist had necessary information, as in he is the only one who knows where the bomb is while the timer is ticking down, then I can conceive of torture being called for. I doubt very much that that is the only time it is used.
But it seems we don't really disagree on this, and it is off the topic.
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Quote by: Hellsea I disagree, when you say that killers, i.e. murderers, pedophiles, and rapists are people. People don't go slaughter each other just to get an adrenaline rush. People don't rape little children, who are supposed to be innocent to the horrors of the world. People don’t do any of those things. Only monsters do. They should be treated as such. Of course, these "people" are trash, they are filth, and giving them a little smack on the hand isn't going to change who they are. Like I said above, extreme situations call for extreme measures. |
I think you are entirely wrong: that is exactly what people do, what human beings do, and it is what we have always done. It is part of what defines our race, as no other animal is quite as savage to those who pose it no threat as are humans. That is what murderers do, and that is what you are trying to do when you argue that a convicted felon should be taken out of a controlled prison environment and killed, because he is less than we are. It makes all of us into monsters. Sadly, it doesn't make us any less human.