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Quote by: chaplainson All I see in the news, on this site, in the papers, and in everybody's speeches is what a crappy job our President is doing. And how everything going on is the Presidents fault, and how one of the forums even talks about impeaching the President, on what charge, I have no clue. But for goodness sake, the man is not God; he can't just force the world to be perfect. Everyone says his main fault is the war, so I'm going to focus a little on that:

I'm amazed that you have no clue as to the potential grounds for impeaching Mr. Bush. With one word I can sum it up: fraud. Mr. Bush and his administration have committed fraud against the people of the United States. Their casus belli against Iraq was based on false information that they knowingly used.

With that said, you are accurate when you say that Mr. Bush is not God. Not everything is his fault, either. There have been others complicit in the government's misdeeds, including most of Congress. Of course, a majority in Congress is not going to impeach itself.

What I'm wondering is just what you think a "perfect world" would be like. Could you explain that in more detail, please?

President Bush had been in office for just 9 months when the Towers were bombed, and it was by far the worst terrorist bombing on any Western country up to that point. The chiefs of staff wanted actions taken, Congress wanted action (shown by the overwhelming vote to approve Bush's actions in Iraq), and we as a people of the United States wanted action. His intelligence agencies said Iraq had possible nuclear facilities, and that was a threat. He didn't make this up, someone in intelligence told him this.

First off, did anyone know just what kind of action they wanted in the immediate aftermath of 9/11? I doubt it. People (including myself, sadly enough) wanted one thing: revenge. Bloodlust was the order of the day, back then. It was only after we sobered up that we realized how foolish we had been -- well, some of us, at any rate.

With that said, you make quite a leap of logic above. You talk about 9/11 and how everyone demanded "action", then switch tracks and talk about how Iraq had "possible nuclear facilities" and was "a threat". Do you believe that Iraq was somehow culpable in 9/11? If not, then taking action against Iraq in response to 9/11 would stand as a non-sequitur, would it not?

Also, people who expected the war to just end after Sudam was ousted, you're out of your mind. This is not some Hitler type guy, who, when the head is cut off, the snake dies because the country realizes it was at fault. Bush isn't fighting Sadam, he's fighting against the terrorists who will not change their opinions, and Bush is going to stay the course, and try to avoid turning Iraq into the next Vietnam.

Either the war against Iraq was to remove Saddam from power, or it was to fight terrorism. It cannot be both. Indeed, the only terrorism in Iraq prior to the war was terrorism by the hands of its government. Only after the US-led invasion did non-state terrorism arise there.

Saying that "Bush is going to stay the course" doesn't tell us anything we don't already know. I don't know what kind of argument you're trying to make with it.

President Bush has been dealt a very tough hand as a President, but in 2004, America chose him as the President of the United States to lead our country for four more years. That's right, whether you voted for him, the other guy, or not at all, he is America's choice, and the least you could do is say I respect our President for what he does, and not the President is a load of crap and I'm going to be a total loser about it and just bash him to make me feel better. I doubt anyone wanted to be President during Sep 11 and Katrina, but he was President, and he did his job as best he could, and even though his approval rating is rock bottom, he still tries hard for this country, and the least you people can do is respect him for that.

"He is America's choice"? When 50% of the eligible voters in this country vote at all*, and a little over 50% of those voted for Bush, how can you really say that he is "America's choice"? It would seem that he is the choice of only about 25% of America, at best. Perhaps I should not mention that you're also committing an appeal to the majority above -- a kind of logical fallacy.

At any rate, I cannot respect Mr. Bush for what he does. In my opinion, the sooner he is out of office, the better.

I'd love to hear about your opinions on Bush's leadership, and his actions over the past few years.

I think the man has made consistently wrong decisions concerning US foreign policy. He and his administration have brought the reputation of the United States to new lows, and perhaps irrevocably. Domestically, he fares little better.

- Rob