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Old May 30, 2007, 06:37 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
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no they most certanly wouldn´t know the actions of the Government thats why they tell it as they saw it i.e. witness´s to the Israeli action
Precisely. The OP takes issues with what some of the Liberty survivors allege, namely that Israel attacked the ship intentionally as part of a plot to drag the US into its war with Egypt; and later the alleged coverup by the US government to protect relations with Israel. The OP alleges a US spawned conspiracy to destroy the ship, blame it on Russian-sponsored Egypt, and then nuke Egypt to claim Middle East oil. The two stories, as I read them, diametrically oppose each other.

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please be clear are you stateing that you think the witness accounts are a conspiracy theory? I have posted some of what i know about this war crime, i encourage you to debate my former points
The survivors' conclusions from their accounts are contested by the US and Israeli governments (ie, not yet proven). They allege coverup by the US and Israel, hence "conspiracy theory." I have no idea whether their stories are the truth or not. You obviously believe they are since you call the whole incident a "war crime," presumably committed by Israel, the principal villian of the survivors' website. The OP challenges that view. I am interested in your refutation of the OP. I'm not informed enough about the controversy to debate the survivors' theory one way or another. Perhaps I will form an opinion after I see you address the thread topic with your information.

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The OP was not yours, and you have said you don´t support it so just what IS your point if you have one?
I neither support nor oppose the OP. I'm interested in your debate position since you favor a theory that directly opposes the OP. You blame Israel. The OP blames America. Comprende?
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