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castille · Oct 20, 2003, 10:03 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
But why not work? You get many more benefits, and because you picked your job not because it was the only one going, but partially because you enjoy the work, or your co-workers, work is not such a bad thing.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

But the problem is not that people WON'T work. The problem is people won't work as hard. As a result, standard of living declines. Television sets short-circuit upon delivery. Cinemas have no fire safety precautions.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Everyone has guns so everyone can shoot<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What a wonderful society! 14-year-old boys armed with AK47 rifles running around. Yes, maybe a small handful of mature conservative grownups will be mature enough not to shoot anyone who pisses them off, but I doubt the other 4 billion people with guns will be as generous.

Also, how do you know someone is going to be a criminal? They could have never been caught. You're basically suggesting bringing the world back to the stone age, when everyone had a spear and could kill who they liked.

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They have always had strong left wing parties and far right activism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What about the pro-fascist candidates in Holland, Denmark, Belgium, and Luxembourg? They're running quite strong.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
International forum - what order? it is forum for debating ideas, nothing more. The ideas presented to the people can then be taken to their own councils were it will be argued there between the councillors and any interested citizens.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

So the time it takes to implement ONE decision will have to go through a long, delayed process? I can't imagine what will happen when famine strikes. "Oh, we have to go through 10 levels before aid can be authorised". Again, this excessive beaucracy was actually the norm in 1960s China, resulting in corruption and delayed decisions.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
No, I don't assume people simply want bread and water. if that is all there is to life I may as well kill myself now. But in order to enjoy the better things in life people need those basics, and that is one key area that capitalism is totally failing in.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

So you're saying, give the bum who refuses to work on the street luxury goods and fine food, at the expense of hard-working citizens?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
There would be no communist secret police.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Thats what Stalin said. Well, at least until he was in power.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
Maybe some suffer? How lightly you toss aside the misery of most of the human race. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

So you prefer the atrocities of Stalin and his 9 million casualties, to the occasional accidental civilian death the US causes? How naive. Yes, SOME people suffer, because they take no measures to improve their lives. Do you know why the bum on the street corner has no job? Because he doesn't look for one. Of course, liberals prefer to blame the government, god, the bible, and anyone BUT the bum.

Don't worry, humans have a thing called "throwing the blame onto someone else". Its not the bum's fault he refuses to work, its the government's fault.

History itself is true evidence of the failure of Communism. If Communism has failed thousands of times, how can we expect it to suceed?

Maybe it will suceed, somewhere along the line. Maybe in a century, maybe a thousand years, maybe when Bin Laden becomes President of the USA. But until then, Communism and Socialism will continue to murder and destroy. Communism has claimed over 30 million lives - want to risk another 30 million?

Oct 20, 2003, 10:03 am	#38 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by But why not work? You get many more benefits, and because you picked your job not because it was the only one going, but partially because you enjoy the work, or your co-workers, work is not such a bad thing.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> But the problem is not that people WON'T work. The problem is people won't work as hard. As a result, standard of living declines. Television sets short-circuit upon delivery. Cinemas have no fire safety precautions. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Everyone has guns so everyone can shoot<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What a wonderful society! 14-year-old boys armed with AK47 rifles running around. Yes, maybe a small handful of mature conservative grownups will be mature enough not to shoot anyone who pisses them off, but I doubt the other 4 billion people with guns will be as generous. Also, how do you know someone is going to be a criminal? They could have never been caught. You're basically suggesting bringing the world back to the stone age, when everyone had a spear and could kill who they liked. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by They have always had strong left wing parties and far right activism.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What about the pro-fascist candidates in Holland, Denmark, Belgium, and Luxembourg? They're running quite strong. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by International forum - what order? it is forum for debating ideas, nothing more. The ideas presented to the people can then be taken to their own councils were it will be argued there between the councillors and any interested citizens.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> So the time it takes to implement ONE decision will have to go through a long, delayed process? I can't imagine what will happen when famine strikes. "Oh, we have to go through 10 levels before aid can be authorised". Again, this excessive beaucracy was actually the norm in 1960s China, resulting in corruption and delayed decisions. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by No, I don't assume people simply want bread and water. if that is all there is to life I may as well kill myself now. But in order to enjoy the better things in life people need those basics, and that is one key area that capitalism is totally failing in.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> So you're saying, give the bum who refuses to work on the street luxury goods and fine food, at the expense of hard-working citizens? </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by There would be no communist secret police.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Thats what Stalin said. Well, at least until he was in power. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by Maybe some suffer? How lightly you toss aside the misery of most of the human race. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> So you prefer the atrocities of Stalin and his 9 million casualties, to the occasional accidental civilian death the US causes? How naive. Yes, SOME people suffer, because they take no measures to improve their lives. Do you know why the bum on the street corner has no job? Because he doesn't look for one. Of course, liberals prefer to blame the government, god, the bible, and anyone BUT the bum. Don't worry, humans have a thing called "throwing the blame onto someone else". Its not the bum's fault he refuses to work, its the government's fault. History itself is true evidence of the failure of Communism. If Communism has failed thousands of times, how can we expect it to suceed? Maybe it will suceed, somewhere along the line. Maybe in a century, maybe a thousand years, maybe when Bin Laden becomes President of the USA. But until then, Communism and Socialism will continue to murder and destroy. Communism has claimed over 30 million lives - want to risk another 30 million? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.