[G. Adams]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
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1. "The Europe of then and now are VERY different places." yes I know... the europe of today is old and dying... too much birth control and not enough new workers to support your socialist institutions... maybe france needs air conditioners... kill the owners of the air conditioner companies..."if they are born into a liberal society, as Europeans are today, they will likely become liberal people themselves." NOPE... people are animals... likely to do as they are biologically wired to do...

"Does Europe have any agressive neighbours?" only aggressive citizens who think they can overthrow the government... remember the kindly neighbors across the rhine in 1919? they would never do anything ever again... and the eu is admitting turkey when? how long do you think the turks will wait? and what of the africans? and since when do you need an army? a few suitcase nukes or a few vials of vx will do more for your glorious europe than you can imagine... no, you don't our protection...

"So I doubt the US would allow China to do 10 000 miles of expanding its territory." but no, you don't want us protection... china can do whatever she wants to europe... if we want to conquer the world we will but fortunately for you, most americans don't have the stomach for it... but keep pushing...

"As for us exporting our values, I was talking about exporting them as a rival to the US. We would do it through trade agreements and diplomacy, instead of toppling governments and building new ones we prefer."

you ALREADY HAVE exported your values conquering the world... reap what you have sown...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Well for a dying set of countries they are doing, collectively, a lot better than the US, except military wise.

People what do what they are wired to do? Well I'm a man, and i'm wired for sex. As is every other healthy male. Oddly though I don't go around raping women. Why not? It is my natural born instinct to get as many women pregnant as possible after all. Well oddly I have 'self-control'. It means I can actually think through whether I want to do something or not. And because my higher brain functions don't want to rape women, my lower brain functions can go screw themselves. See? People are not just animals, they have other things going on too.

Aggressive citizens who want to overthrow the government? I don't know how much you know about Europe but we've had internal terrorists attacking us for 100 years. And how many governments have they toppled? Erm, none? Well Spain kinda, but Franco did get the army on his side, so he's not much of a terrorist by then.

Turkey will be in within 20 years. And Turkey has a huge, young population, which will help Europe which has in general an older population.

If people are going to use a nuke in a suitcase or vial's of nerve gas, what difference is the US military going to make that we can't? Are you going to use stealth bombers on these people? Because thats the only revealed technology of yours that we don't have. Yes there will be more, but for dealing with those kind of terrorists we don't need those kind of weapons.

Africa? Haha, my god do you really think they will stand a chance? They will have to simply throw themselves at us in numbers, because they have no other advantage. Mind you, like with China, there is no particular African nation wanting to invade us. And if there was, they would have to go through friendly territories first, not only friendly ones but better armed ones than they.

Get this into your head, there is no-one waiting to invade Europe. We don't live in 400ad with the barbarians at the gates.

You couldn't conquer the world. You could destroy it but you could not conquer it. Do you really think that the nuclear armed countries (China, India, Pakistan, Israel, France and Britain) will sit back and watch you conquer them? And I hate to point this out to you but your troops are incompetant. I've talked to loads of people in the British Army, people you work most closely with in military operations, and they HATE working with you because your people arn't good enough. You have brilliant technology, but not the soldiers to use it. This is what happens when most of your soldiers only join the Army so as to get grants for University. That is, they don't have their hearts in it. Our military, smallish at around 300 000 men and women, are there because they want to be. Which means they work a lot harder at it.

No we havn't exported our values. A minority of the people who lived on this continent between 1600 and 1900 exported theres. I am talking about the Europe of today. Or are you so backwards that you believe there are set values for countries and continents, that are totally unchangable?