[The Decider]

Quote by: shrike Israel has full right to protect itself against those who attacking her. And like I said negotiations has already was tried and failed time after time even with more moderate government. By choosing Hamas Palestinains showed they don't interested in peace.

Yeah, Olmert had the "right" to attack Hezbollah and destroyed major portions of Lebanon in the process. Israel not only failed to destroy Hezbollah, but it failed to gain freedom for its kidnapped soldiers. But Olmert had the "right" to self-defense. How one exercises that right makes all the difference however, as Olmert has learned painfully in recent weeks.

Quote by: shrike Maybe you missed this out. But peace was done not with Nasser but with Sadat. Maybe if Palestinians would choose more moderate government instead that might be a chance although I am very doubtful about that.

Yes, and Sadat was Nasser's protege. So?

Quote by: shrike When Sadat wanted peace he changed his rhetoric drastically and came to Knesset in Jerusalem and definitely he did the maximum to stop the violence from Egyptian border. I don't see its happening. I see no statements and no intention from current PA government quite the opposed they part of the violence perpetrators and doing nothing to stop it.

Sadat's agreement to curtail the Sinai violence was contingent upon a peace treaty. It didn't happen as a prerequisite for negotiations, as Israel now demands of the Palestinians.

Quote by: shrike Super powers and cold wars have nothing to do with I/P conflict at least on local level.

You are right in one sense--the Israeli Goliath to the Palestinian David bears little resemblence to US/USSR relations. However, the US was still willing to negotiate with the USSR even when leaders like Premier Nikita Khruschev screamed "We will bury you!" We still kept talking.

Quote by: shrike Only after 3 wars Egyptians saw that with violence they will get nothing so they turned to Peace negations. Until the same thing will happen in Palestinian population no peace would be reached.

What a simplistic analysis of the Camp David Accords. In fact Egypt had financial reasons to sue for peace. The US gives $2 billion a year to that nation as you may recall. Furthermore, Sadat feared the rise of Egypt's Muslim Brotherhood if a state of war continued. In the end it was MB that assassinated him. Egyptian moderates couldn't afford to wait for peace. Time was (and is) on the side of the extremists while hostilities continue. Of course the right wing Israelis see Sadat's historic journey to Tel Aviv as a massive humiliation for Sadat and a confirmation that Might Makes Right. Reality, as usual, is more complex.

Quote by: shrike But the stupid leftists have booked this wall and now the Israelis and Palestinians paying price for their incompetence.

Yitzhak Rabin paid with his life for the Oslo Accords, courtesy of a right wing Israeli fanatic's cowardice. The agreement's flaws were mainly tactical. It mandated stages for negotiations and not a single comprehensive agreement on a date certain. The stages allowed the radicals on both sides to muster their forces and disrupt the negotiations. Plenty of Israelis opposed the removal of settlements in the Occupied Territories. The next round of negotiations need to play for keeps. One agreement, one date certain for implementation.