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Old May 23, 2007, 03:09 pm   #22 (permalink) (top)
shrike
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No. Israel must respond to placate its population. But it shouldn't prevent the continuation of negotiations. Only politics will offer any hope of a solution.
Israel has full right to protect itself against those who attacking her. And like I said negotiations has already was tried and failed time after time even with more moderate government. By choosing Hamas Palestinains showed they don't interested in peace.
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Nasser threatened to "drive the Jews into the sea." I don't think any Israeli mistook that message for a love note.
Maybe you missed this out. But peace was done not with Nasser but with Sadat. Maybe if Palestinians would choose more moderate government instead that might be a chance although I am very doubtful about that.
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Are charters and constitutions immutable? The Hamas Charter will be on the negotiating table with everything else
There is no indication that they willing to do that. When Sadat wanted peace he changed his rhetoric drastically and came to Knesset in Jerusalem and definitely he did the maximum to stop the violence from Egyptian border. I don't see its happening. I see no statements and no intention from current PA government quite the opposed they part of the violence perpetrators and doing nothing to stop it.
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America didn't trust the Soviet Union either, but we sat down for negotiations
Irrelevant Super powers and cold wars have nothing to do with I/P conflict at least on local level.
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It doesn't have 200 years to wait. America can't afford to let the Israelis wait for Hamas to change their charter before Israel returns to the bargaining table
Our leftists opened a Pandora box in Oslo accords and showed that Israel can be blackmailed. Only after 3 wars Egyptians saw that with violence they will get nothing so they turned to Peace negations. Until the same thing will happen in Palestinian population no peace would be reached. Jobotinsky has foresaw it all in 1923
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All this does not mean that any kind of agreement is impossible, only a voluntary agreement is impossible. As long as there is a spark of hope that they can get rid of us, they will not sell these hopes, not for any kind of sweet words or tasty morsels, because they are not a rabble but a nation, perhaps somewhat tattered, but still living. A living people makes such enormous concessions on such fateful questions only when there is no hope left. Only when not a single breach is visible in the iron wall, only then do extreme groups lose their sway, and influence transfers to moderate groups. Only then would these moderate groups come to us with proposals for mutual concessions. And only then will moderates offer suggestions for compromise on practical questions like a guarantee against expulsion, or equality and national autonomy
Vladimir Jabotinsky: The Iron Wall - We and the Arabs (1923)
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But the stupid leftists have booked this wall and now the Israelis and Palestinians paying price for their incompetence.
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