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Quote by: rez Why was there a majority of Jews in a Jewish state? I know why. Because Jews thought they should "spiritualy ascend to the holy land."

No not at all. Most of the Zionists were socialists. For example it lead to creation of Kibbutz. Like I said Zionist movement was created as other national movements for self determination was created
Saying all this. I don't deny there was no religious Zionist. Of course there was but there was not a majority then and not a majority now.(Religious Zionist Party got about 7-8 mandates in last election out of 120)

If Zionism is secular and has no ties with religion, then why should Zionism be distinguished from Territorialism? It seems as though ever since the Great Jewish Revolt, Jews have wanted to go back to their homeland.

Yes you right. But what it has to with religion? Israel was birthplace of Jewish people there is many cultural and historical ties with this land and that one of the main reasons it was chosen.

The idea was to immigrat to the Land of Israel (Aliyah), become the majorty, and kick out the minority. Obviously, the Jews started the current war.

How so? Many people who came back to Israel wanted to leave peacefully with local population.

in Jewish holy spells such as the Passover and Yom Kippur there are claims that one day the Jews will return. This type of narrowed minded dillusional thinking is what makes this debate so hard to figure out.

Well its not delusional thinking it did happen as you can see.

I suggest Jews no longer consider themselves Zionists. America should give up a section of their own land in order to make room for a Jewish homeland. I suggest Texas, you ok with that shrike? You still may have to worry about religious fanatics though...so I do not know if that will solve your problem.

So what you propose is ethnic cleansing. Why you don't propose to do it with Palestinians?