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Quote by: Slevin57  I personally support torture. We don't just draw and quarter people to get them to talk. They have ample opportunities after being captured to "tell us what we want to know." If they are not willing to voluntarily divulge the information, then I have no problem doing whatever is necessary to retrieve that information. |
The CIA is so set on getting "what they need to know" that I could tell them that my Muslim neighbor has some information on a terrorist hit and he would disappear witohut warning. If they torture him, to get the information they need to know, though he knows nothing, is that doing "whatever is necessary"? It wouldn't necessarily be my fault, either, if I truly believed he had information. I do not, in any aspect, condone torture, even if it as a known fact that the person knows something. That leads to people lying, in which they are held prisoner until the lie happens, which, inevitably, will not, in which they get tortured more.
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Quote by: Slevin57 These methods have been around for thousands of years. We have been using them since we became a nation. I realize many countries have "outlawed" this practice, but in all fairness most of them also have green armed forces and are not engaged in war. |
Wonderful reasoning. Since we have done it for centuries, why stop now? There are better, cleaner ways to win a war. And the fact that this war is becoming unnecessary, is even more against your position. We are still interrogating people for weapons of mass destruction, because we cannot accept innocense from them.
It's like the trials of the crusades. If the woman drowns, she wasn't a witch, but if she managed to survive, she's a witch! So now we get to kill her. It's a lose-lose situation.
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Quote by: Slevin57 The United States cannot afford to take a moral high ground on this one. Moral high grounds always cost lives. Being the better man still gets us killed. |
This is a foolish statement. I am sure that if we respected insurgents when captured, then they would be sure to think worse of us. Actually, if we respected them, they would kill more of us. No, that is silly.
Seeing as we have not yet tried to "be the better man", I don't think that you are in a position to say this honestly. Give an example.
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Quote by: Slevin57 I find it hard to believe that any militant group would accept anyone back that has been detained by the CIA. They have no idea of knowing what the person said to them, or even if they are now working for the CIA in exchange for amnesty. |
I don't know what this has to do with anything, but since you brought it up...
You are right. If the CIA does let the victim free and he does return to his militant group, he will most likely be tortured there. And killed. A soiled man has nothing to live for, anyways. The whole situation is just adding salt to the wounds.