[G. Adams]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
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1. promises of heaven are promises of heaven... utopia? follow me...
the foolish leading the stupid... utopia is still a pipe dream and your perfect society is exactly as brutal as hitlers... if you don't agree, we'll kill you... a tyrant is a tyrant... die for god, die for the reich, die for the communists... all you do is kill and call it equal and better... seig heil

2. ..." However if the majority wins, then the problems will disapear with the exploiting minority." ... and when we have finished killing all the jews the glory of the reich will shine for all... seig heil

3. -"The ruling minority seeks to maintain its position over the majority."
no, the free individual struggles to remain in free control over himself by growing stronger... submission to the group, any group, especially the democratic benevolent communist majority is exploitation...

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2. "I don't want them to submit to the communist majority, I want them to agree with, support and engage with the communist majority." I don't want them to submit to the communist authority, I just demand they become enslaved to the communist majority... you don't give them the option of remaining free, you sentence them to death...
"And they will not be killed fo disagreeing or for not submitting to the communists, it is when they attack the majority to retain there own power that their killing becomes justified." but when they refuse to submit to the will of the communist majority they are against the will of the communist majority... that justifies your killing them? but if they don't physically attack you are you justified in killing them? it seems all you want to do is murder for the communist mob...
"And it is not a case of the majority exploiting the minority, the minority will be removed from power and then, like everybody else, will work for themselves from the public, collective resources (though will not be allowed to do so at other expense)." until the majority becomes the slave masters and demands certain behavior from everyone...
"The change is that instead of other people working for them, now they will work for themselves." that is no change... people work for themselves as it is... people need to work for the collective so that no one has anything and all have equal misery? sorry... the communist/anarchist system doesn't work...
"And the majority is justified in freeing itself from exploitation." and the minority is justified in freeing itself from exploitation... but the glorious reich shall rise like the phoenix and burn all those who dissent with the righteous majority... seig heil

3. "The communists majority would not be cleansing the exploitative minority. They would be fighting against them." fighting against them?!? slapping them around with dead fish? fighting them with kisses? give me a break! at least have the balls to say what you are going to do... if you want the minority to wither away so the majority can have their fun, say so... quit trying to hide your desire to kill everone who doesn't agree with the communist plan... you have said it plenty times before "I want to end exploitation, and if that requires bloodshed I believe it is worth it, but it is a last resort." all you want is bloodshed because very few will go along with your communist scheme... you say I cut your quote to make you look bad? all you do is argue for organized murder, that looks bad enough on its own...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

*sighs* Your not even trying to understand what I write are you? I hate language too, such a shoddy tool for conveying ideas, but its the best I've got right now, so your gonna have to try.

Heaven is something you may find yourself in when your dead. Utopia is something we can work towards while we are alive.

1. No, I don't want to kill people who disagree. I want to stop people exploiting others, get it? If they don't agree, fine, as long as they don't attack us. That minority can seperate away from the rest of us if they want. Hell, we could offer them a big chunk of land and they can practice their capitalism there in peace. If they don't all kill each other trying to define who owns the resources that is. But the minority of individuals has no right to stop a majority of individuals pursuing their goals, as long as the majority is not infringing the minorities human rights.

Actually, if all the capitalists were moved out of their power and onto a country of their own, I would bet that if they didn't all kill each other, they would form some sort of socialist society, because they would then realise that the only way everyone in society can live decent lives is through a socialist model.

2. The Jews were an innocent minority. They did not take power and use that power to exploit the majority. There was no reason for them to be slaughtered.

Similarly, there is no reason for us to just kill the capitalists. If they follow the democratic principle and allow a communist movement to grow unhindered, eventually gracefully stepping down from power as they should, then there would be no reason for bloodshed.

However, if in a bid to stay in power they begin killing and attacking the communists, the communists are justified in protecting themselves and their movement.

There is no comparision here between my proposals and Hitler. So stop making tired, twisted comparisons.

3. No, the ruling minority does seek to stay in control. Read your Machievelli. This is why communists and anarchists oppose a government to control the system. The free individual only remains so under capitalism by exploiting others. Few are free under capitalism.

4. In what way do these people become enslaved?? Under capitalism I must work for somebody else. Under communism, I work for ME. The fruits of my labour may be distributed to others, but only in the knowledge that they likewise return the favour. Under capitalism the fruits of my labour go to the owner, in the knowledge that I get less than a 10th of what I put in back.

Until the majority enslave the majority? You mean, !!SHOCK HORROR!! everyone has equal power over each other, rather than a minority ensaving the majority? Oh no, how terrible.

5. As I have stated the minority will not be exploited by the majority. The minority will lose their power, and then have as much as everyone else. Thus they become part of the majority. Creating a classless society.

6. I was correct and particular about saying we would be fighting not cleansing. Cleansing suggests there is something impure to be cleansed. That is not what is happening. The minority is trying to continue to exploit the majority (which you seem to have no problem with), and the majority are trying to end that. The minority attack the majority. The majority attack back. Yes there will be bloodshed. Yes many will be killed. But I will not sit around watching the many being exploited by the few, people dying of starvation for the profit of a few. I will not do these things in order to save lives. Why live if you live in abject misery, you only purpose being to sustain this minority, that cares not in the slightest about you.