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Old Oct 19, 2003, 09:59 am   #32 (permalink) (top)
castille
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HUMANITY: In other words, any Communist who refuses to work will be sent to another factory? Er....in that case I won't work, since I'm at no risk of starvation.

GOVERNMENT: The fact remains that those with guns can shoot, those without can't. The militia will become the new elite slowly, perhaps in 3 decades, perhaps in a century. "Voting" is worthless....just look at the sort of leaders we get.

Hey, didn't Le Pen get voted by millions of French citizens? If Nazism wasn't a recent European occurence, Le Pen (the French Fascist) would have become the new president.

PRODUCTION: Hitler never told people to hate Jews. Europeans always hated Jews since the Inquisition.

As for your international forum, if it has no powers, then where does the order come in?


"How do you know if someone is a criminal before arming them? How do we do it today? Then we'll do it that way."

Er....you do realise the majority of gun crimes in the US is committed by "non-criminals" with guns. We don't know if somebody is likely to use a gun for violent purposes for the next 50 years of their lives....


"No, Hitler appealed to the desperate."

No, he appealed to Germany. From the upper ranks of capitalists, to the lower ranks of liberals, his appeal was universal. He appealed to Americans; only US propaganda made people hate Hitler. He appealed to France; the French surrender was due to pro-fascist leanings. He appealed to Europe - think of the numerous anti-Stalin armies formed (ironically, that Hitler stopped).



"On stealing: As everyone has everything they need, there is no benefit to stealing. You can't sell it on, who would pay for something they already have? Theres no point keeping it, you already have one of your own, or can acquire one easily enough through your work."

That is exactly where you are wrong. You suggest "everyone has everything they need". Well, how do you know? What if they don't? What if a group of people demand MORE? For example, Communists assume dried bread and water is the only thing people want. What if somebody wants a computer? Video games? Consumer goods? CAPITALIST consumer goods?

I can predict the result: The Communist Secret Police will arrest that "troublemaker", torture him, brand him as a counter-revolutionary, and shoot him. Its happened before, and history repeats itself.



Your assumptions, ultimately, are based on so many what-ifs that I could get rich if I got a penny for every "what-if". "Communism can only work if everyone is a liberal democrat, if everyone does this and does that". What if they don't?

The answer: Shoot them.


Mao did the same. He said Communism can only work if everyone is committed. What happened to those who weren't "happy"? You just have to examine the 30 million decrease in population to know the answer.....


Ultimately, the strength of capitalism lies in preserving the status quo, and thus preventing any Hitlers from taking power. Yes, maybe some suffer (ironically, corporations are making the MOST donations to Third World countries), but as we saw with Asia, living standards under capitalism are increasing every second.

30 years ago, you couldnt buy roast duck in Communist China. Today, in capitalist China, the majority of urban, and a rapidly growing portion of country folk are getting access to clean water, good food, and a high education. All without Hitler's "kill anyone who disagrees with me" campaign.


Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.
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