[PhanthomOps]

ruiner:
Quote: "Hell is hard for me to believe in. Why would a God create us with certain tendencies, and then punish us for following our nature, the nature God gave us?"

God did not create us with the human nature we presently have. It wasn't until Adam & Eve ate of the fruit of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, that we ended up being punished for disobedience.

You know, you tell your child - No don't do that again because....... - and the child disobeys, and you in turn punish. Same principle.


Shunyadragon:
Quote: "Sounds like a plot for one HELL of a movie. Can I play me going to hell with Mark Twain and all the other irreverent neat people that would not go to heaven if given the choice. I think that should be cleansing."

You are one hell of an opponent - but irreverent, I don't see you that way. :) :)