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Keith Hamburger · Apr 16, 2007, 09:39 pm

I don't remember the specific incident but a recent (within the past 10 years) similar incident was stopped by an armed student. Well, he wasn't immediately armed but he went out to his vehicle, acquired a gun, and returned to kill the assailant. This was made very quiet in the news but that's what happened.

In the previously greatest single "mass murder" in the US, one of the people in the Lubys Cafeteria, who watched her mother and father be gunned down, had a firearm in her vehicle that she normally carried with her. Because of the policies of that particular restaraunt and the laws of the state at the time she did not carry that gun into the restaraunt that day. She has been continually haunted by that failure. You can bet that she no longer leaves her gun behind when she goes anywhere.

In another instance of a school shooting a teacher or administrator, I don't recall which, retrieved a firearm from his vehicle and stopped the assault. A few students were shot before that could occur, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. Things would have been much better if that firearm had been on that teacher's person.

In many cases, just a couple of armed citizens could have quickly stopped a lot of deaths. In several cases, just one armed citizen has been able to reduce the number of deaths, even if they have to go to the parking lot to retrieve their firearms from their vehicles. We have no way of knowing how many deaths have actually been averted by quick intervention by an armed citizen. Perhaps just one citizen showing a gun to a potential assailaint has many times prevented similar occurences. That's something that's impossible to tell.

One thing is for certain, highly restrictive gun laws do not stop criminals or madmen. Highly restrictive gun laws often do stop honest citizens from being prepared to defend themselves.

In the direction Os was heading in his previous post, even one person carrying a firearm on that campus, other than the campus police (who were completely ineffective) and the gunman, could have significantly reduced the numbers of deaths and injuries.

Keith

Apr 16, 2007, 09:39 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Keith Hamburger Libertarian Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 1,609	I don't remember the specific incident but a recent (within the past 10 years) similar incident was stopped by an armed student. Well, he wasn't immediately armed but he went out to his vehicle, acquired a gun, and returned to kill the assailant. This was made very quiet in the news but that's what happened. In the previously greatest single "mass murder" in the US, one of the people in the Lubys Cafeteria, who watched her mother and father be gunned down, had a firearm in her vehicle that she normally carried with her. Because of the policies of that particular restaraunt and the laws of the state at the time she did not carry that gun into the restaraunt that day. She has been continually haunted by that failure. You can bet that she no longer leaves her gun behind when she goes anywhere. In another instance of a school shooting a teacher or administrator, I don't recall which, retrieved a firearm from his vehicle and stopped the assault. A few students were shot before that could occur, but it wasn't nearly as bad as it could have been. Things would have been much better if that firearm had been on that teacher's person. In many cases, just a couple of armed citizens could have quickly stopped a lot of deaths. In several cases, just one armed citizen has been able to reduce the number of deaths, even if they have to go to the parking lot to retrieve their firearms from their vehicles. We have no way of knowing how many deaths have actually been averted by quick intervention by an armed citizen. Perhaps just one citizen showing a gun to a potential assailaint has many times prevented similar occurences. That's something that's impossible to tell. One thing is for certain, highly restrictive gun laws do not stop criminals or madmen. Highly restrictive gun laws often do stop honest citizens from being prepared to defend themselves. In the direction Os was heading in his previous post, even one person carrying a firearm on that campus, other than the campus police (who were completely ineffective) and the gunman, could have significantly reduced the numbers of deaths and injuries. Keith The great thread killer.