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Quote by: CoffeeSaint Not for nothing, but don't call my parents retarded. Who the hell taught you to debate?

Myself.... love it or leave it. I never called "YOUR" parents retarded.... only you did. If it applies, then that's your judgement doing that.... I just gave you a classification. I asked you what kind of retarded parents.... You could have easily said they are not retarded or very little at all. Also the "Your" was generic in the situation I was describing, not directly towards you or your parents.... unless you relate to the situation I was explaining, then you're parents wouldn't be in that classification of retarded I was using.

Kids are dumb, okay? Hell, people are dumb. They don't always act rationally and think logically, especially not when they are upset, especially not when they are already scared because they know they are in trouble, and ESPECIALLY not when they are six. There is a reason that we live with grown-ups when we are kids: kids are not as smart as adults. In addition, people don't trust police when they are grown-ups, and they are sometimes right to feel that way. Police officers are just people; some of them are not nice, some of them are scary. The fact that they wear a uniform doesn't make them perfect, or teach them all the proper way to calm a hysterical child. If the police officer didn't act like a nice person, he might have scared the kid. If the kid recognized the gun as a weapon, she might have been scared just because it's a gun, and 6-year-olds can't be expected to automatically think, "But it's foolish to be scared of that firearm; guns don't kill people,. people kill people, and this fine, upstanding law enforcement officer is sworn to serve and protect the people, which includes me."

Now you're just making excuses to justify your stand. You just basically resaid everything I stated above only trying to word it to suit an excuse to keep a child away from the law.

There are some bad police officers out there, much like there are bad teachers, priests, doctors, etc. but they're there to upkeep peace and stability in our communities and when you need help.... who else are you suppose to run to? The Mafia?

Everybody picks and chooses what they think is right and wrong. If we all followed perfectly the teachings of our parents, we would never disagree with each other. Persons under the age of 18 can and are charged with adult crimes in adult court when they are considered mentally competent and emotionally mature enough to understand right and wrong and the crime they are charged with. Look up Kip Kinkel, if you want an example, but there are thousands of others.

I don't think you're understanding what I am trying to say to you.... You can pick and choose which laws you feel are just and unjust, but unless you plan on going on a big protest or taking the matter to the courts to change the laws, suck it up and take the laws that are fed to you like a bitch, just like everybody else has to.

Do you actually think that if you commit a crime and the police come at you, that they're not going to take you down and arrest you if you say "I don't believe this law is just or fair, so I shouldn't have to obey it." ~ They're gonna drag your ass away regardless what you think, because they are there to up keep the law..... much like what they did to this child. Just because most people arn't calling the police to haul away kids for freaking out, doesn't mean that can't do it.

I refuse to believe that you think there is no difference in maturity between a 6-year-old and a 15-year-old. At this point you seem to be arguing with everything I say simply for the sake of being obtuse.

There is not much difference in maturity, the only difference is what your taught in your grade.... 15 year olds can still spell just as bad as a 6 year old....

Once again, you're using irrelevant examples to support your side..... it doesn't matter if the kid see's a holstered firearm, or handcuffs and what they think of them.... they get scared.... yeah, so do adults.... if anybody see's a cop coming at them, everybody's gonna be scared, because nobody like's going to jail.... but that's still no excuse for the kid.

It sounds to me like you're letting your emotions run your decisions in this matter.

Yup, just being obtuse. Surely you remember that I am against this child being arrested, and you are arguing for it, so pointing out the absurdity of charging a ten-year-old with a crime, well, that would be my argument, not yours.

I was relating you trying to compare a 15 year old to a 6 year old, and yet when I throw someone in the middle, like a 10 year old to connect the dots, you call it obtuse..... I think you're not understanding the two points I am trying to portray.... one is somewhat on your side of things, and the other is towards the law, which is my stand (A combination of the two, plus my own moral up bringing)

You do realize that there is more then just two sides to this argument.... perhaps me taking the third option is confusing you.

I've already stated my opinion on this, and you've got nothing here to make me question its validity. Thanks for the debate.

Fair enough... All I know is your reasoning on this case and your defense wouldn't keep you out of court, nor the kid. There are plenty of legal defenses that would get both you and the kid off the hook, but on your grounds on how she's just a kid.... means squat. She can still be arrested, she can still be thrown into Juvy Court, and she can still face charges under the Youth Act (Depending on where you live)