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Quote by: pikatore We aren't anything special, we just have more elaborate and effective ways to kill each other. That doesn't make us inherently violent. It comes with advanced intellegence.

We are not only violent, I will admit. And I will also accept that our intelligence has made us come up with a number of ways to commit violence. But, it is that use of our intelligence for the search of even more ways to kill ourselves in ever more efficient means over a wide range of reasons and in sheer scope that comparatively gives us up to being an animal prone to more violence than other animals.

Just because we've discovered more ways to kill each other, that doesn't mean that an animal wouldn't do the same thing if it was smart enough to figure it out.

Appeal to ignorance.

It's like saying we are a hungrier species because we've mastered tool use and made spoons and forks and knives.

Kinda, but not quite accurate. Modified:

Wanting to consume more efficiently(often much further than our lives require) and control our environment better, we have therefore sought to master tool use and made spoons and forks and knives.

Analogically constructed against:

Wanting to consume or control more recourses to increase our chances for survival relative to other compeditor groups within our species, we have therefore evolved to use our intelligence to master tool use and weapons to give us an advantage over others.

The only thing is, we do not commit violence as most animals do -- i.e. for survival -- but ALSO for greed and gluttony.

Look at other species, and tolerance isn't even in thier reportoire. It isn't even a concept they know yet.

Different herds of the same species will sometimes come together in mass migrations. There is a lot of tolerance amongst same species animals.

If one animal is neutral to another and has the power to kick it's arse, it'll DO it, purely because it will either gain food and/or respect (depending on the animal).

Maybe you could clarify or reword this a little better. If they are neutral to one another, then why would they have a desire to kick the other`s arse. The neutrality would then not exist.

Humans, you'll find, may have more complicated pathways to being motivated to do such a thing.

And why is that relevant to us not being more disposed to violence amongst ourselves than other animals amongst themselves?