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Old Apr 7, 2007, 08:18 pm   #20 (permalink) (top)
Athena
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I'll agree that males like to feel part of a cause that means something, to feel special and important (and powerful) above feeling honest to their ideals. Males are obviously succeptable to promises of military glory, due to their love of having a clear enemy to shame. Men are easier to swallow in with camradery, which is what leads males to be unquestioning followers, the feeling that your brothers are depending on you (and your womenfolk, to an extent). But Females are also more prone to do things to fit in, to submit to someone who they deem better than themselves, whereas men would rebel against someone who they deem above them (mainly due to their hatred of feeling shamed. Both sexes will sacrafice ideals for a position of power. (or a donor badge :))

I'd remind you that this is not a business, Jason apparently makes no real profit (it would seem he's in the red) It's more like Jason's hobby, creating an environment for us to debate in.

And I never said my thinking is right, giving up your ideals for a position of favor in the king's eyes is very probably not right. But then again, democracy isn't that high up on my list of ideals, my sense of justice and morality come before, and a dictatorship that provides these is better than a democracy that doesn't. Plus, I admit my own weakness, I may very well submit to il duce for a slice of the pie.
Excellent- in a dictatorship citizens don't have duties that advance the well being of all. In a democracy citizens do have duties that advance the well being of all. A dictatorship can tax the people and spend the money without the consent of the tax payers. In a democracy, nothing is to be done without the consent of people. Under a dictatorship, people do not have liberty, and their thoughts of right and wrong mean nothing. In a democracy, liberty is the individual the right to determine right and wrong, and what the people believe is right or wrong, matters very much.

I think we are clarifying why the forums have Society & Rights and not Society, Rights and Duties. The majority would rather have a good lion king or dictator, and no individual responsibility for the benefit s/he thinks a good king/dictator should give them. So why did we take out Saddam. The Iraqis had the highest living standard in the mid east and would have had even more if it hadn't been for the sanctions imposed for the purpose of weakening Saddam and Iraqis resistance to a US take over. This debates are proving just how unjust that invasion was, because there is no one to fight for democracy. Everyone wants a good "lion king", a good Hitler, a good dictator. Saddam was very good for the Iraqis who mattered. As he turned to India and China to market oil in Euro's, Iraq stood to greatly benefit. The people posting here don't want democracy, so who is our enemy, why?

No duties, no rights, just previlleges a dictator may grant or take away.
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