[Athena]

Quote by: pahl The thing is that we are in Jasons house now, and hes been letting us stay here because he likes the community. And now he is asking for those who can to help out a bit. It hardly seems fair to say that he shouldent be allowed to do what he wants on hes own property just because we have been allowed to spend time there. If he tells us to get the hell out we should, and if he says that he cant keep this up without more money, and he would like donations if we expect it to last then i think we have even less reason to complain. Id expect my guest to respect my property in the same way. And i see no king, but i know how to behave if im a guest. I always have the freedom of leaving.

Are you staying with Jason without contributing to the Jason community in which you live? I mean like, is this all take and no give? You may know how to behave as a good child, but what of being a good adult? That is the difference between Society and Rights, and Society, Rights & Duties. It is when we speak of duties that we speak of being grown up.

And then you are asking us to donate to a house hold in which we don't live, so you can live there free, gaining this Right by being pleasing to Jason? Is that what this is all about? :eek:

Maybe you mean we all are in Jason's house when read or post on volconvo?
In that case, I am contributing my time and energy, and otherwise feel on the outside of the community, because I stand alone with my opinions. I do not feel included in any sense of community, and it was made very, very clear, I should not expect to be included, because the forum is privately owned. Like what I want doesn't mean anything to anyone but me. A while back things got very unpleasant and I left for weeks, because Jason didn't care what I thought or felt. It is kind of like having a representative who doesn't represent me. My tax dollars may support him/her but as was said, taxes are not a donation, and when the opportunity arises, I will vote out of office those who don't serve me. On volconvo, we don't vote for our leadership.

When we pay taxes, we are investing in our country. We can expect to get something back. What is volconco giving? It is not the social awareness that I value and would be willing to pay for. If you want to sell something, you need to know what someone wants to buy. Volconvo wants my money and doesn't care what I want. I am not represented, as volconvo is privately owned.

Athens became a democracy in part for philosophical reasons, but mostly because they need to defend Athens and didn't have anything to offer the people needed for war, but a say in government. I like having a sense that what I think is right and wrong matters, and Jason made if very clear, it is does not.