[G. Adams]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
G... 1. tabla rasa? nope... humans are born with drives as are all living things... greed and self interest is primary among them... why does a baby cry? it wants something? greedy baby demanding something...
or is that learned as well?

2. historical requirements... the whole world must be capitalist... this alone insures that communism will never even get started...

3. "This is not creating a hiearchy in society, as the managers are under the control of the workers."
no hiearchy? yet there is control by the mob of workers... alas, that mob is the hiearchy... "there is a world council, forum not government style, that argues the best courses of action for humanity" the mob of communist workers will vote and demand that everyone, specifically those who object, follow this utopian plan... that is a hiearchy... do you not see the contradictions?

4. laws? who needs laws? just whip up emotional fervor amongst the mob and vote on it... no protection from the communist mob is needed (and protection cannot exist because that would be government and hiearchy)... that boy needs a good 'ol commie style lynching because he is ... and not producing... tell me this isn't possible and wouldn't happen on whims everyday...

5. the philosopher kings? "This would be the most intelligent people of society being elected to councils, in order for them to publicly debate with each other the best ways in which things should be done." since when does the society elect the most intelligent anything? who would judge? tell me this isn't government... hardly equal either...

5a. "If however they decided to kidnap people to put into slavery, once this was recognised the councils from each area could co-ordinate their militias against the new city." the council? you mean the mob? the government? their militia? organize the thugs for the ends of the mob? and we moan about the us in iraq or israel in the west bank... why in communism we can whip up the mob into a militia and kill people who are equal with no government... no greed there... greed of the benevolent communist mob?

6. I've brought this up before... "One way is the voucher system. Replacing money, the vouchers allow people choice over what they want for the work they have done, while preventing the accumulation of wealth into the hands of individuals or minorities. " vouchers do not replace money, vouchers become the new rate of exchange in lieu of money... it is still private property and hoarding vouchers will happen... but they will expire... then they will hoard other things... but the communist mob will have to unite and kill the equal voucher/property hoarders... dated credits? same thing...

6a. electorally accountable militias? I vote we kill him... watch it happen...

human, all too human...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

1. Why do babies cry? Because they want something? What wrong with that, it doesn't make you greedy, a baby is trying to communicate something with its limited abilities.

2. If those requirements arn't met, then yes it will never happen, or very very unlikely. But if you are a supporter of liberal democracy, and capitalism, then you yourself should be trying to make it happen. And I'll be happy to help. And if you are all right, that liberal democracy plus capitalism is the best form of government, then I'll admit I was wrong and enjoy this new world. But you have to build your liberal democratic world before you can say for definate it is the best thing possible.

3. Ahh yes, a heiarchy of one layer. Oh wait, thats not a hiearchy now is it? Just because power would be in the hands of the populace rather than a minority of elites or aristocrats it doesn't mean there is a new heiarchy. If there is nothing BUT workers then there can be no hiearchy, is there is no-one above or below.

4. Why would it happen? Why would an educated populace that isn't desperately poor listen to the ravings of an oppurtunist? Its only the desperate who will listen to these types of ideas because they want a solution to there problems of not living decently. And as everyone would live decently, plus be educated, I ask again why would they listen to these demagogues?

5. Are you just not reading what I write. Council=Councils, okay? These councils are elected. They control the militia, this militia acts as a policing unit, but they are not police because they are fully accountable to the public, unlike police. Got it? Now if someone established a seperate state that was kidnapping people, the councils would get together to organise their militias against the kidnappers. What are you so aghast at about that? If someone declared Arkansas to be seperate from the rest of the US and was kidnapping other Americans to work for it, would you want somebody to go in and stop it? Or would you say 'ah now, we cannot be a mob and organise and offensive against them, which would be so unruly of us now'?

6. How can they hoard things that expire? And as for hoarding other things, what would be the point? If say they hoarded TV's, if they tried to 'sell' them to someone else, they would have to be for something exactley the same value as the telly, or else the buyer would knowingly lose out, so why would anyone buy these TV's? And if they were buying them for exactley the same value, what benefit does the seller get?

7. Why would people vote to kill someone?

I really must live in a different world to you people. Where I live people try to get along with each other, and it doesn't take police or a government to do it. However you must live in a world where you are all rabies infested wild animals, waiting to kill each other if it weren't for those kindly police officers and noble politicians.