[Mr.Vicchio]

Quote by: ItsDarts No more than there are pro-religious "zelots" out to prove their particular god is the right god. Is it safe to assume that you only believe in one god? If so, then you are just as zealous towards everyone elses god. You don't believe in them why? You only believe in one more god than I do. So you won't mind if we put "In Vishnu we trust" on all of our money because you don't care what people believe? Great!

What an astoundingly weak argument. Does it cause you any discomfort to have "In God Wee Trust" on money? Seriously, if most of your fellow Americans DO believe in God as per the Judeo-Christian tradition of the Country, isn't it a tad arrogant of you to demand it be removed for your minority? Does that line mean you have to believe in God? Or are you really that intolerant of others?

Quote by: ItsDarts It's pretty safe to say that you'd be pretty upset if we taught Astrology along with Astronomy, or Alchemy along with Chemistry in our schools just like some christians want I.D. taught along with Evolution in our schools.

Evolution is a theory, it really is. People believe in I.D., some are laymen, some are scientist, they have a view and wish to express it. What's wrong with that? SERIOUSLY, what's wrong with that other then you reject that line of thought? You are right I would reject some of those views you listed, and would do so at the voting booth and local hearings on the matter. But if the majority wanted it, well that's how the country works.

Quote by: ItsDarts Tell that to the schools in Kansas, Ohio, Kentucky who are trying to get I.D. taught in their schools. Tell that to the heads at the Grand Canyon National Park who can't sell material that states the geologic age of the Grand Canyon because "Someone" thinks it was created by Noah's Flood. What about my money? Which god is that? Is it Vishnu? Zeus? Ra? What about the Pledge? What god is that? Do you really think nothing is being forced upon us? When us "anti-religious zelots" fight to keep church and state separated, we are fighting fo you as well. We don't want IN Allah we trust on our money any more than you do. We are fighting for everyones equal rights, not just ours, or yours.

There is no seperation of church and state in the constitution, try reading it again, here, I'll help you:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Now, again, how does a school teaching something "religious" constitute Congress Passing a Law? It doesn't, and issues like a school prayer before a football game being banned, something that STILL chaps my hide, is a denial of religious expression a clearly stated right. And please spare me the Thomas Jefferson speech and anything about the idiots on the SC, they also passed the Kelo decision allowing the state to take your property and give it to some rich guy to develop for higher taxes. The SC ain't perfect.

Quote by: ItsDarts Oh really? So you won't mind that in time, Gays will be allowed to marry and expect to have the same rights as everyone else? Don't Like it? Hmmm fancy that. YOUR moral guidance isn't all that moral when it excludes people you don't like or excludes the actions of others. Many of my morals come from your guidence, the bible, but in actuallity none of the morals in the bible are unique to the bible and there is nothing to say they didn't exist prior to the bible. The one thing your moral guidence doesn't teach well is tolerance of others. You think being gay is a sin so gay people shouldn't be allowed certain rights, because its a sin. As an athiest, I realize that being gay is a natural occurance in many species of animals, including Humans and therefore Humans should be given equal rights and protection under the law. We may seem zealous to you, but your entire post reaks of a zealot basically asking us to STFU.

I love this Tolerance line, look there are some ass hats on the Christian Side that take that whole "Gay" thing a bit too far, I will not deny that, but then are people like you that are no different just on the other end. Personally I think Fred Phelps wants nothing more then to be a gay slut but he's too scared of his own desires. Seriously I do believe that.

Quote by: ItsDarts Please provide evidence of this claim or retract it. Athiest, are not forcing you to believe anything. We lack belief in the existence of your god, nothing more, nothing less.

I'm not going to retract that, you atheist demand that America reject public acknowledgment of religious beliefs and traditions because YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN THEM! YOUR demands are that society change to meet your needs, no different then what is currently the case.

Quote by: ItsDarts What actions are you refering too? Why should we teach I.D. in schools and not teach Alchemy?

Strawman, and pointless.

Quote by: ItsDarts You don't think that your morals and codes aren't nothing more than opinion of anncient times? Oh thats right, you think an invisable friend in the sky some how talks to people, and thats not a fairytail.

Now you show your bigotry and hate, your intolerance of others beliefs. Way to go, prove my point.

Quote by: ItsDarts My morals come from a thing called a conscience. I feel bad when I hurt others, I feel good when I help others. If I want to have consensual sex before a marriage, who am I hurting? No one. I don't steal not because a book tells me its wrong, I know that it hurts the owner of said property, my conscience tells me this is wrong. Its not opinion, it is the moral compass that lives within most people. Whats the difference between a "good christian" and a "good atheist"? One god and his intolerant rules.

You have your beliefs, you demand that the majority accept those beliefs based on what YOU think is RIGHT. Well you missed my point, you want US to accept your beliefs, and be forced to live by what YOU think is right.

Do you not see the irony of your position yet?

Quote by: ItsDarts Extraodinary claims require extraordinary evidence, for which no religion has been able to produce. As far as what you believe? I don't care. Its how your beliefs affect others that concerns me.

Your beliefs would effect me and other religious minded people, how is that different then the current situation, it's not except that you are the minority and cannot handle it, like a spoiled child you scream, like a spoiled child you stomp your feet and demand we do what YOU want us to do, you throw a tantrum until America is molded in your image.

No different then religious minded people expressing their view of how society should be. You just pretend that you have moral high ground because you reject God.