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Old Oct 17, 2003, 12:07 pm   #6 (permalink) (top)
castille
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Ok, about your replies:


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HUMANITY
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As the laziness of ones damages the other workers, they could bring him up for not working hard enough. If he persists, they could vote for his removal.
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Leave things to mob rule eh? The Cultural Revolution in China (where thousands were murdered by youth mobs) showed the power of "giving power to the people". What if they vote for his execution because hes a Jew (and every fine German knows Jews are all evil!)?


GOVERNMENTS
You STILL haven't explained how people will be governed. Will we resort to mob rule? Local boys carrying AKs? Liberal democracies still see crime and corruption; the corruption will only extend into Communism.


PRODUCTION
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Within the workplace the workers will have the power to elect, and recall, managers. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Two words: Adolf Hitler. He also won democratically. People are not ruled by economics and logic; they are ruled by emotion.

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If, and some communists are against this, there is a world council, forum not government style, that argues the best courses of action for humanity
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So in other words, a group of Communist Elites will decide on the fate of humanity. Just like the USSR, Cuba, China, and North Korea.


</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)

This is also another sticking point between communists. I believe that we would need a period where laws are still around, at least until this utopian dream starts becoming reality.
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This is EXACTLY how the Soviet Union and China become dictatorships. What if those who enforce the laws don't want to give up their power? Just like Mao and the PLA, Stalin and the NKVD, Kim Il Song and his elite Communist leaders.


</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)

Therefore there is some leadership, in that the most intelligent people, after being elected, can put forward their views to society, and its scrutiny.
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Did Adolf Hitler debate in an intelligent manner? If not, why did so many people worship him? In front of a crowd, its not intelligence that counts. Just look at the socialist protests. "Death to America!" And the crowd goes wild and burns another flag!


</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)

If someone decided to establish their own city outside of the communist sphere, thats fine, as long as they aren't planting themselves ontop of something essential like an oil supply.
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So if a group of people set up a city on top of an oil well, all the Communist "Utopias" will band together and destroy them? It would make Bush proud.

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)

So instead of using vouchers, dated credits could be put onto a credit card. This prevents people stealing vouchers. To get the credits you could swipe the card through a machine that will only provide one set of fresh credits per day or per week to each card.
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A hacker's paradise. Can YOU trust your life savings with a computer? I hope not.

You also forget the urge to save. What if I want to save up my money for a rainy day? "Sorry sir, but you have to spend your money, or else the Communist Police will steal it from you." A lot of Confucian Asians would no doubt oppose this (ie. 2 billion people).



</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (G. Adams,)
As for people taking something on the side for themself, this would be prevented in the same way it is now, policing, but by the electorally accountable militias<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

How will a stupid teenager with an AK47 find out I've been stealing dried bread from the stocks? I could simply claim the bread was stolen by somebody else. Societies that prevent personal achievement will always see somebody trying to steal something.



Your theories are good, but you forget one thing: the transition to Commuism is the perfect breeding ground for opportunitists to take power for themselves! Mao Zedong is a prime example: he refused to give up his power, and hung onto it, and nobody could do anything about it. The Army, Communist Elites, and anyone with a gun was on his side.

A transition of power in any situation always leads to opportunity to grab power. Its not difficult. "A man with a gun is a man with power." Your militias are more likely to support a dictator who promises them more wealth.

I know if I was a militia leader, and some big guy at the top says "You can either live like the peasants, or join my cause and live like a king", I would join his cause. We've got enough bullets to shoot any peasant who rebels.



Want to know how effective rebellion is? Just ask the people of North Korea if they want to overthrow their leader.


Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.
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