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Old Mar 22, 2007, 11:35 am   #190 (permalink) (top)
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Instincts evolve to help organisims to survive in order to pass on genes.
This is a true statement.

However, not all manifestations of an instinct will help a particular organism survive in a particular circumstance.

Sometimes parsimony leads us to leave out important points.


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But, anthropomorphism is not a centering ism as is anthropocentrism and the judgements that come down as a result of that. Anthropomophism is merely giving characteristics and not placement of a view, as is anthropocentrism is. Anthropocentrism therefore affects judgements, and in your case your own interests, while anthropomorphism merely makes a descriptive statement on something with human characteristics.
yup, you are correct. Allow me to refine my statement.

Speaking as an anthro, anthropocentrism is right, from an anthropocentric perspective.



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My motives do not benefit me personally, other than relief that exploitation has been stopped (if successful).
Given how strongly you feel about this, I am guess this relief is an enormous benefit. Thus, you have plenty of motivation to mislead me.


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How is knowing how much will kill a rat, dog, or monkey going to determine the exact amount of how much will determine a person?
It is a starting point. We determine a ratio of dosage to body weight. It gives something to work with, when we move up to human testing.



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Agreed. However, animals have not proven to be a good model for that.
Animals are a starting point. If a chemical causes death in multiple species, then we have reason to suspect it will do so in humans. If a chemical causes zero problems in multiple species, then there is a good chance it will do so in humans. It helps us manipulate probabilities to our advantage.


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Government regulations require that only two species of animals be used, a rodent species and then one species higher up mammal.
Are you suggesting they should test on more species?


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I don`t think you`ve looked very deep into the issues and reality of the situation, CC. Have you?
More than you might suspect. My secondary major in college was Psychology - which for me, at Emory, included more bio-research-psych classes than clinically oriented psych classes. We went into lots and lots of animal research. I was not exposed to the same issues you are exposing me to, but I certainly was exposed to many of the various experiments the medical research uses animals for.



Tell me, why do you think pharmaceutical companies research and test on animals?


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