[The Bacon Guy]

Your posts, particularly in the erotica area, are becoming so full of condescending, ad hominem nonsense that I’m going to attempt to condense this debate slightly.

Quote by: Elminister The bottom line is you have offered no proof; that's the bottom line.

When I said this:

"I would also ask you how, if not through biology or conditioning, do you believe homosexuality comes about? Do you honestly believe that someone makes a conscious decision to be sexually aroused by something? Did you for example choose to find women attractive?"

You replied by identifying the choice factor of homosexuality as the action; not the attraction. That has since been the basis of our discussion, and has been stated several times without dispute. It is only now, when your argument is failing, that you are attempting to cast doubt upon this.

Quote by: Elminister What the hell is this " predisposition which is the activated by conditioning" supposed to mean anyway?

A genetic factor (such as the ones in the Wikipedia article I linked you to some time ago) which increases the individual’s probability of becoming attracted to members of the same sex. This predisposition is then activated by environmental factors. No conscious thought involved.

Quote by: Elminister Also found pages listing simular events in Cuba and Brazil could not get the pages to open, however. I'm sure you get the point I'm trying to make. There is a global hatred of homosexuality. Now read this and connect it with the above using the equation;we<people out in the world> don't like you Americans<American policy> and am going to make a connection of that to you< exact my anger about and of it on you> USATODAY.com - Ugly sentiments sting American tourists Another conjoining example: I’m American….Shhh!! Don’t tell! "for the 4.1 million civilian United States citizens living and working abroad." American Citizens Abroad ACA NU116b Basically what I'm saying is that when/if America as a whole endorses homosexual marriage at the State level word of this will spread quickly across the globe and will fall on some ears that really don't want to hear it, in a bad way. There are such fanatic's and fanatical groups out there that already hate America and homosexuality both, as you yourself have stated before, that when they hear this to them it would appear to be another extreme exertion of the "American Imperial Death Grip On The World" and lash out violently. There are 4.1 million opportunities<see above statistic> that are present outside the US that anybody looking to exact a revenge for this move,as in this thread, on of from. Americans who may not even know or care one way or the other as to the goings on of the "Homosexual Marriage Plight." Can you feel me now, Bacon Guy? Is 4.1 million chances enough to equate to even a moderate probability of what I'm talking about happening? This is actually a theory I would LIKE to have shot down but I don't think anybody can, sadly.

This hatred of Americans has not been linked directly to homosexuality. Of course half the world hates you, but I’ve yet to see evidence that the introduction of gay marriage will affect this significantly enough to increase the chances of attacks on US citizens. America already endorses homosexuality by making it legal, yet I have never seen an international terrorist attack linked directly to this.

Quote by: Elminister Another one of your games I have to now pull the plug on. This criteria of yours ummm, where did you get it from? It surely did not come from me. I'm fairly sure I have not used the word(s) child(ren) at all in any of my posts.

Your rationale for opposing equality for gays was:

The benifits you speak of are given to me to ease the financial burden of raising a family.This is something I dare say the vast majority of the wannabe homosexual newleyweds do not want to do……By their choice<see below> of sexual lifestyle they cannot even procreate on their own. This whole process is actualy starting to look like a mock form of extorsion,dare I say.

And now you deny this when it becomes untenable. Have a little honesty and acknowledge when your argument fails.

Quote by: Elminister The criteria, here in New York, to receive a Marriage License is as follows; provide a Social Security Card, provide a Birth Certificate,Photo I.D, provide proof of eligibility to wed<meaning are you divorced and can prove it> and oh yeah, you need to be a man and a woman as per deffinition. States used to test for infectious disease and some may still do so. Here, check it out. marriage license requirements

Ok, so now you are using the current system to prove that the current system is just? Perfect circular logic.

Quote by: Elminister ..."On what grounds do you/the gay community persue an action that by reactions would dig deeper into my wallet thus reducing my right,my ability, to provide for myself and for my family?"......to provide for myself and my family. The two subjects are connected by "and" and either subject can stand alone.

That wasn’t where I drew the family argument from, so I won’t bother with the rest of your rant, amusing though it was.