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Quote by: Technosoul In some cases we should allow natural rights to trump "made made rights". If we wish to live in a civilized culture rather then in the jungle we must have concepts like our Bill Of Rights and Consitution. ETC. Which is about preventing one person from violating the personal rights of others.

What are "personal rights"? Did nature give these rights to humans or were they invented by humans? If nature gave these rights to humans who exactly should interrupt what nature gave humans?

Natural rights work for animals in nature for two reasons, one is that they do not have the advanced technology that we have ( relative to weapons and so forth ) and two: because they have not reached our level of intelligence and reason, which makes us more aware and causes us to have more compassion or concern about others and about the importance of maintaining a well organized group culture.

William James took the opposite view of you. He said that animals may be ruled by instincts, but humans are ruled by more instincts. This thread was designed to make the natural seem strange.

And so relative to the thinking of our more intelligent culture (civilized concepts) most of the natural rights would now be rather un-natural for humans.

Quote by: William James In other words, our modern skulls house a stone age mind. The key to understanding how the modern mind works is to realize that its circuits were not designed to solve the day-to-day problems of a modern American -- they were designed to solve the day-to-day problems of our hunter-gatherer ancestors.