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Old Feb 12, 2007, 04:24 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
shunyadragon
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How many are aware of Plato, a Greek philosopher and the idea that in heaven there is a perfect horse and no horse on earth is as perfect? That is, God created everything in heaven perfectly, but the same thing on earth is slightly less than perfect. Such thinking comes from math, which the Greeks got from Egypt. We can see it in Eygptian thinking, and on the side of the world, at Chaco Canyon, New Mexico, this concept of a godly/heavenly perfection. In Chaco Canyon the people built to represent heaven on earth, using the sun and moon cycles in the construction of their walls and buildings. Humans can imagine perfection, and notice that what we have isn't perfect, and around the world they have struggled to deal with this concept of perfection and reality. A God that can do anything and everything, and then why, since a God can do this, our reality isn't perfect.

Any way, now the Muslim idea that men can be rewarded with virgins makes sense, considering, like Eve, the virgins must be made in heaven. I guess by this belief, all the angles would be made this way, and somehow escaped the punishment of Adam and Eve who sent to earth for punishment. I don't think Christians have a better explanation for angels.

For those who do not know what the bible says, the Torah and Christian bible say God was on earth in a place called Eden, when he made Adam of mud and made Eve from Adam's rib. This story comes from the Sumerian story of many gods and goddess, who lived in the Garden of Eden, like Mount Olympus is where the Greek god lived. But when the Sumerian story was translated by Hebrews, this perfect place of the gods becomes a perfect place for Adam and Eve, and they get thrown out of it when they eat the forbidden fruit.

So the Muslim story is more like Plato's idea of perfection and heaven. The Hebrew translation of the Sumerian story, placing God and Adam and Eve on earth, instead of in heaven. My goodness, this should give us a lot to talk about!
I think it is a good topic, but it may float by most volvonvoists. The fact that the people who wrote these myths of the origins communicated within the context of the worldview they knew. I would assume they did believe in heaven and the creation stories they wrote about. I sometimes wonder about the imagery of how heaven was viewed. Was it on a seperate plan of existence, another world like ours, but perfect, or some place of perfection where god or gods reside above in the heavens of our earth.


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