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loser said:
To me, the answer to this question is pretty much cut and dried. One merely has to ask this question: If the embryo that developed into the person that I call "myself" had been terminated at conception, would this have had any bearing on my "life"?
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It wouldn't matter, you didn't own your life at that time, nor was it recognized by any official body as a individual life at that time. If she had changed her mind and aborted, would you have sued?
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loser said:
It's impossible to FORCE ANYONE TO DO ANYTHING (though torture sometimes works)! Since you can't make gay-bashers not bash gays, since you can't make racists NOT commit hate crimes, since you can't make thieves NOT steal or murders NOT murder, is it your contention that we should abolish ALL laws against ALL crimes because they are ONLY EFFECTED against those who have ALREADY broken them?
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No, not at all.
All people can be held accoutable for their actions against another individual.
Abortion is not dealing with the fetus as an individual, since it is not an individual, its a PART of the mother that is dependent on the mothers diet, mood, lifestyle and WILL to birth it.
Gays are individuals, and if you bash them, you can be held accountable WITHOUT a specific law that targets "gay bashing". That is why there is no NEED for a gay bashing law, and they are just reaching out to APPEASE a high budget special intrest group and voting block support.
Racists targets, are all individuals. If a person targets someone and violates their rights, their race is IRRELEVANT, because there are laws that cover assault, battery, murder, attempted murder, harassment already. Once again, just the politicians reaching out to appease high dollar special intrests and limited voting block support.
Theft is illegal, and covered under basic property rights.
Murder is obviously against basic individual rights.
ALLLL of the things you just mentioned are BULLSHIT LAWS, made to dupe the public into thinking something is being done, and to PANDER directly to minority voters.
So, your point?
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loser said:
You're right...take this board for example. I am sure that one of the intentions of this site is to get people to THINK. But you know what? You can't MAKE people think!
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I don't have a gun to anyones head, nor am I paying a police officer to put a gun to someones head to FORCE THEM to think.
I like to make people think by showing them how illogical, and ill placed their faith is in bi-partisan liars, and religious sheeple herders. I try to make some people see how they are used as tools, by the media and the politicians who spend your tax dollars like they were never-ending.
In other words, yes, I like to brew the coffee strong, and put it right under their nose by being upwind. No force, just a nice little wake up call....
“The ideal tyranny is that which is ignorantly self-administered by its victims. The most perfect slaves are, therefore, those which blissfully and unawaredly enslave themselves.”
-Dresden James
“Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women; when it dies there, no Constitution, no Law, no Court can save it...Where do you stand Citizen?”
-Judge Learned Hand (1961)