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tnphydeaux · Oct 15, 2003, 07:18 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel,)
In my opinion, "life" does not begin until the beginning of the third trimester, when the fetus is developing fully into a baby with a functioning brain. Most abortions however take place during the first trimester, when a fetus is forming and has not yet developed any real brain or limbs. So unless you believe in life upon conception due to religious views, the "life" of a baby doesn't really begin until sometime into the third trimester from a scientific perspective. Which, abortion has been illegalized to be carried on recently in the first place, if I recall correctly.<hr size="1" /></blockquote> Your opinion appears to be based on some semblance of reason, but it is contrary to science, the science of embryology. Your lifetime began at conception, your Mother's pregnancy began when you implanted into her endometrial lining of her uterus. From the conception onward, you build all of your tissues and organs; your Mother build none of the tissues, organs, or structures that are you, including the placental sac (space capsule) in which your body grew. Of the 1.2 million ABORTED LIFETIMES each year in America, approximately 15,000 are terminated from the 22 week all the way to the 39th week. It is a proven fact (they're toddling and running around all over the country) that a 22 week aged individual human being can live outside its Mother's body, albeit often with near miraculous medical help. It's nice to have some basis for your beliefs, but if you choose to ignore the religious and the moral, it would behoove you to be more accurate and more thorough with the science you choose to rely upon.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel)
Abortion also offers closure. Many act like it is so easy for a woman to go through several months of pregnancy, only to give up what has developed into her own child, to complete strangers. Would you want to give up your own child? Would you want to live knowing that child may not ever have a family, may go hungry, may not have a life worth living at all? Personally, if I was in such a situation, I would rather choose to abort a fetus before it develops into anything rather than remember giving up that baby and being tortured with that every day of my life. Before you say adoption is everybody's option, I think you should have a child for yourself and see if you would choose to give it up in that scenario.<hr size="1" /></blockquote> Your honesty is encouraging but frightening, because it belies a selfish perspective which allows you to dehuamnize the unborn regardless of the truth regarding those little ones. Again, the conceptus turns into an organism seeking to survive in the environment in which it comes to exist at the first evidence of mitosis. The first cell of conception (euphemistically called a fertilized egg0 divides to form two cells of distinct genetic identity, then one of those cells divides and the beginning of the construction process that will be the placental encapsulation has begun ... and this occurs whether in a petri dish or a body. In fact, in vitro fertilization labs will not seek to implant any alive embryo that has not accomplished its encapsulation, because that first membrane structure of the placenta acts to chemically instigate the implantation process, acts to protect the internal structures from rejection by the mother's body, take in nourishment and necessary gases ... the placental, built by the embryo, is the first organ you or I make for our own survival.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Wychal)
Everyone has different philosophies on life and nobody has the right to dictate another person's or regulate it for them. Especially when lifestyles and circumstances vary so greatly. Stop being so egocentric and judging the lives and circumstances of so many women who's stories and reasons you don't even know.<hr size="1" /></blockquote> First of all, there are very real limits on the actions that effect others which you may take as a part of your philosophy of life. The unborn individual is a separate and unique human being on life support through no fault of its own and as a result of chosen (conception via free will, except in cases of rape) behavior that conceived that new individual. Science defines the newly conceived life as a human being, even in the early age of embryo. Embryo is as real an age along the lifetime continuum of the individual human as is toddlerhood or puberty. As to your last sentence, apply the same verbage to murderers and see how rational is your syllogism.

Oct 15, 2003, 07:18 pm	#79 (permalink) (top)
tnphydeaux Molten Ash Posts: 63	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel,) In my opinion, "life" does not begin until the beginning of the third trimester, when the fetus is developing fully into a baby with a functioning brain. Most abortions however take place during the first trimester, when a fetus is forming and has not yet developed any real brain or limbs. So unless you believe in life upon conception due to religious views, the "life" of a baby doesn't really begin until sometime into the third trimester from a scientific perspective. Which, abortion has been illegalized to be carried on recently in the first place, if I recall correctly.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Your opinion appears to be based on some semblance of reason, but it is contrary to science, the science of embryology. Your lifetime began at conception, your Mother's pregnancy began when you implanted into her endometrial lining of her uterus. From the conception onward, you build all of your tissues and organs; your Mother build none of the tissues, organs, or structures that are you, including the placental sac (space capsule) in which your body grew. Of the 1.2 million ABORTED LIFETIMES each year in America, approximately 15,000 are terminated from the 22 week all the way to the 39th week. It is a proven fact (they're toddling and running around all over the country) that a 22 week aged individual human being can live outside its Mother's body, albeit often with near miraculous medical help. It's nice to have some basis for your beliefs, but if you choose to ignore the religious and the moral, it would behoove you to be more accurate and more thorough with the science you choose to rely upon. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Waychel) Abortion also offers closure. Many act like it is so easy for a woman to go through several months of pregnancy, only to give up what has developed into her own child, to complete strangers. Would you want to give up your own child? Would you want to live knowing that child may not ever have a family, may go hungry, may not have a life worth living at all? Personally, if I was in such a situation, I would rather choose to abort a fetus before it develops into anything rather than remember giving up that baby and being tortured with that every day of my life. Before you say adoption is everybody's option, I think you should have a child for yourself and see if you would choose to give it up in that scenario.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Your honesty is encouraging but frightening, because it belies a selfish perspective which allows you to dehuamnize the unborn regardless of the truth regarding those little ones. Again, the conceptus turns into an organism seeking to survive in the environment in which it comes to exist at the first evidence of mitosis. The first cell of conception (euphemistically called a fertilized egg0 divides to form two cells of distinct genetic identity, then one of those cells divides and the beginning of the construction process that will be the placental encapsulation has begun ... and this occurs whether in a petri dish or a body. In fact, in vitro fertilization labs will not seek to implant any alive embryo that has not accomplished its encapsulation, because that first membrane structure of the placenta acts to chemically instigate the implantation process, acts to protect the internal structures from rejection by the mother's body, take in nourishment and necessary gases ... the placental, built by the embryo, is the first organ you or I make for our own survival. </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Wychal) Everyone has different philosophies on life and nobody has the right to dictate another person's or regulate it for them. Especially when lifestyles and circumstances vary so greatly. Stop being so egocentric and judging the lives and circumstances of so many women who's stories and reasons you don't even know.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> First of all, there are very real limits on the actions that effect others which you may take as a part of your philosophy of life. The unborn individual is a separate and unique human being on life support through no fault of its own and as a result of chosen (conception via free will, except in cases of rape) behavior that conceived that new individual. Science defines the newly conceived life as a human being, even in the early age of embryo. Embryo is as real an age along the lifetime continuum of the individual human as is toddlerhood or puberty. As to your last sentence, apply the same verbage to murderers and see how rational is your syllogism.