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Quote by: Athena Please folks, we are very lucky to have Strike to present a point of view that is having such an important role in world history at this time. I hope another with his point of view will join these debates and support Shrike. Only by sharing our points of view will we gain understanding. However, let us stick with issues and avoid making individuals the subject of discussion. Let us all try to be the best human beings we can be- and not be part of the problem.

I agree. Let's see where the major differences are within the debate.

Quote by: shrike Again this religious bullshit. This has nothing to do with history and real facts.

I will admit, I am not well educated about Zionism and Arab hatred so I may be a little confused. I see no other reason why Jews would want to claim Israel as home, other then for religious reasons. If you claim the land is not for religious reasons, then how will owning a piece of land stop antisemitism?

Quote by: The_Genius One of the main reasons behind Israeli-Palestinian conflict is 'misunderstanding of religious history'. The Jews think they own the region because:

The funny thing is when I claimed that Zionism and the Jewish faith were one in the same, Mr. Genius decided to tell me how they were not.

Quote by: The_Genius yes, Zionists are trying to corrupt the world. I don't think 'Jews' are trying to corrupt the world. Zionism and Judaism are two different things.

It seems as though the disagreements stem from the philosophies of Theocracy and Democracy.

Israel is a democracy and Islam a Theocracy. Obviously, a Democracy is more tolerant of religious beliefs then a Theocracy, therefore, are more willing to allow non-practicing ideals flurish.

Quote by: shrike Palestinians don’t care about their own civilians lives. Israel wanted always to stop terrorists from reaching civilian population and minimize the civilian casualties of other side. Its the main reason for all there precision strikes and not carpet bombings(like Russia for example). The Palestinian goal is quite the opposite they don't care for their own population and use it at as human shields and of course they maim target is mostly civilians.

Shrike, with the western mentally, would say something like this because he values life in a different way. I would compare Muslims blowing themselves up to the Japanese ritual of Seppuku, where a citizen would commit suicide to avoid falling into the enemies hands.

So when someone says something like

Quote by: The_Genius As far as I know, according to Jewish doctrines, their Messiah will arrive on Earth and take them to Jerusalem (kinda like Moses).

It will be taken as a joke because this is not how the modern world solves problems.

My concern about this whole land issue deals with Islams desire for a Theocracy. The President of one of the most powerful Islamic states denying the Holocaust is a prime example of willful ignorance. When someone attributes personal beliefs with truth I become turned off. When women can not be treated as equals to men, I become turned off and unwilling to sympathize.