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Quote by: Gods_Mercenary Developed country - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia I mean a country that furthers human advancement through its culture and progress (think Greece, Rome, France).

Now you appeal to some alleged universal value called "human advancement". Lucy, you got some 'splainin' to do...

By pervasive I mean something that makes laws and is present in everyday life.

Fair enough, here. Thank you for the clarification.

I don't mean governments specifically making the progress, I mean governments allowing for progress. I'd like to see Edison invent the lightbulb in a primitive tribal area with constant warfare.

That begs the question -- were it not for governments, would there be nothing more than primitive tribal areas with constant warfare? My own answer is "No". What's yours?

While we're at it, why don't you also explain how governments "allow" for progress?

So tribal societies are desirable? Spend one day in a sub saharran tribal village, and come back and make that assertion.

Straw man. I was not arguing in favor of tribal societies, and I think you know it.

- Rob