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Quote by: kubedawg  If the diety created the universe, how hard is it to believe that the diety is above logic, or created logic? |
Interesting. We're having this very same discussion on
another thread. For those who wish to view how we touched upon the subject there, trying scrolling down to my post on the topic, go forward to see responses, and go back to see previous comments.
As far as what the quote above states, is it hard? Of course not. It's also not hard to believe that gremlins or Merlin, or real magic exists. I'm not trying to insults theists here. I'm only stating that if one uses the argument that God is above logic... etc, it proves or convinces no one.
I could use the same argument and argue for Zeus, the Great Spaghetti monster or any other deity. It's a non-starter discussion-wise. We could debate fairies that way still get nowhere.
I believe, if there is a God, which I
think there is, then the universe is designed like a watch. The Creator doesn't make the minutes tick, or the second hand sweep, or the digits change. He (?) may not have even created the base materials. Things, like perhaps the Big Bang and whatever expansions or contractions happened previously, happen because it's all designed to work that way.
God is the elephant in this whole mess being described by the blind, IMO, and as the cliche'd story goes. One man has the trunk and thinks God's a snake, another... well if we could get off our ego and power trips; all the different faiths, maybe we'd be able, together, to ascertain better who the Creator(s?) is (are?)... or might be. In some ways that's the direction Joseph Campbell leads us.
What do I base
my beliefs on? Well, I could say observation, all the theological texts I've read... and the ones that "debunk" them, or a feeling, all the wisdom both believers and non-believers have passed on to me, or a sense of what just seems to make sense. But I know, as one person with limited knowledge and experience, like we
all have limited knowledge and experience, I could be quite wrong. Even if I had more information, more experience, all I might be doing is adding to the clutter. So what do I base my beliefs on? Pretty much nothing, in the larger scheme of the universe, as we
all do. Most humans are just too damn arrogant to admit that. Nothing wrong with believing in itself, however. What we do with it? That's another matter.
But, then again, this may all be absolute rubbish and things happened this way because that's just the way they happened. They could just as well have happened many other ways.