[shunyadragon]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready I am starting this thread to address one thing in specific, that most don't seem to understand about my views, and I want to see what others views are in relation to it. The idea of the "sheltered" collective still lives on today, in the guise of socialism. The idea of true individual liberty lives on today, in the guise of capitalism. All governments that entertwine both, have failed, or are failing. That amounts TO ALL GOVERNMENTS on EARTH. Why is this? Because man, as individuals, and collective, can not see the sensible place where collectivism and individualism interact, and codepend on each other. Capitalism WILL NEVER SUCCEED as long as socialism exists. Socialism WILL NEVER SUCCEED as long as capitalism exists.

A little too simplistic in generalizations. The historical evidence shows that Capitalism and Socialism evolved with other economic and social systems intertwined like communalism and various forms of heirarchial feudal economics and social systems. These economic systems historically coexist on different levels with human specialization.

Neither will ever succeed, because until man makes the next leap of evolutionary logic that isolates both principles to their place, respectively, we will be locked in this box of misunderstanding.

Needs, Supply and demand, and opportunities likely dictate the ecomomic system that is applied

So how do we make this "jump of logic" that will evolve us?

WE all, as humans, not nationalists, need to understand that we all are equal in the same senses we are different. We all depend on the collective to raise us (family) and we all seek individualism with out new learned technology (logic) which leaves us in a constant struggle against one another, when it is nature who we should be focused on figuring out, to carry on the life of man beyond this realm we now know.

Probably most important advance of this new age if humans are to survive, but diversity and unity must coexist in religious, social and economic systems.

WE need to focus on the basic rights of all men, before any collective can be at peace and be truly successful without war to mar the image of man.

Basic rights and collective consciousness must evovle together to meet the needs of a diverse society striving to resolve conflicts that make peace unlikely.

How do we do this? A tough question to analyze OUTSIDE of personal prejudice and belief. Perhaps we should have two economies? One economy for collectives (famillies) that is bound together through social ties of common goals, and one economy for individuals (singles wanting to create a family, or live as they are from birth to death, single.) that is free to live without social or societal burden outside their basic rights and respect of others rights? Also, perhaps we as people, allow our pride of culture and tradition to limit our perspectives? I can understand keeping culture alive through words and song, books and verse. But what does it say of man when he refuses to adapt, due to his love of the "status quo" based non pride? Is this not man fighting nature, by fighting other men who side with the changes that nature brings on? I am perplexed here, and looking for other angles. Feel free to add if you want to debate, and not start a "this vs that" tantrum or insults. This has NOTHING to do with partisanship, religion or any other thing I mentioned except to make it easier to understand the "human dynamics" as we know them from their labels. I look forward to thoughts and comments.

social, economic and religious systems have two distinct aspects, sense of community (spiritual, ethnic and racial identity), and a balence control and cooperation. The broader the sense of community is and the more cooperation is emphasised. The goal for world peace and stability will necessitate the development of an integrated community that in some way is defined as humanity as a whole, and not neglect the spiritual aspect where most people on the globe