[Osborn F Enready]

Techno said: Well you guys have found some pot holes in his new road construction idea. A mix of capitalism with some socialism is not a bad idea.

That is what Roosevelt thought, and look at where it has come.

“You see, the left isn't forgiving or civil. Instead they are violently, feverently committed to their unholy war to tear down American democracy and replace it with their version -- an Americanized version -- of communism.”
-David Horowitz, 2000-Jan-31

“There's a strange contradiction lurking in all this revisionism: the United States is arguably farther along the road to Marx's communist Utopia. After all, the major means of production are collectively owned, thanks to the stock market and mutual funds. The country certainly boasts of an informed proletariat. And, as Mr. Cheek noted, `With our social security system and Medicare, we are far more socialized in practice than China, which has neither.'”-Craig S. Smith, in "Workers of the World, Invest!", in the New York Times, 2001-Aug-19

This New Deal is a Raw Deal, and it has removed every weapon the people have against the state except for confiscation of personal arms.

We now "allow" a president to have a Kings power of proclamation, the full power of war and the war purse, and with the Patriot Act as my testament, the right to REMOVE the rights of citizens without question or concern. Our representatives don't represent, they rule in peoples names, and have been removed from the voice of the people in all effect and affects.

We can no longer withhold tax dollars to starve the system.
We can no longer demand a redress of grievance and expect to be considered "American".
We can no longer as states, oppose the federal government (as Kalifornias and other states attempts to legalize medical marijuana have proven.)

We have become the Borg, and still the sheeple refuse to call it what it is, or admit why it came to be, because the life that the borg has bought their silence with, is a plush and comfortable life as long as you bend over and take it like the bitch it says you are, while it forces other equal bitches into submission through force you pay for.

``I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.''
-Thomas Jefferson

``Sir, I read these sentiments with surprise and astonishment. Believe me, Colonel Nicola, no occurrence in the course of this war has given me greater pain than this revelation of such sentiments among the officers of my army, which I must view with abhorrence and reprehend with severity. I am at a complete loss to see what in my conduct could have given encouragement to such a proposal, a proposal that proposes I participate in the greatest mischief that could befall our country. Nicola, you could not have found a person to whom your schemes are more disagreeable. I advise you and your collaborators to put these thoughts from your mind.''
-George Washington, on the offer from his officers that he be declared King of America

``Few things are harder to put up with than the annoyance of a good example.''
-Mark Twain

Techno said: We are not animals trying to survive by the law of the jungle. Re: survival of the fittist.

Yes, indeed we are, and everytime society tries to change that, it is smacked back into relativity by nature.

Techno said: We have the ability for compassion and brotherly love, why not use it some of the time?

Society is proof of that, but that does not mean society has no limits.

Techno said: Okay lets look at the alternative plan. We get the voters to pass a new law that companies must arrange their work schedules (hours open) to confrom with this new law. To enforce and monitor the new law we would open up a large new government department and they would send out people who would tell each company when they can open their doors and when they must close up shop. Will they be happy being forced to work within those limitations? What about overtime and so forth? What would the Unions have to say about the plan?

Karl "Technosoul" Marx I presume?

Techno said: If the trucks must roll at night to reach the shipping and receiving docks then the companies must have workers on hand to unload or load the trucks, at night time only. And so all dock workers would be working the midnight shifts and having no time with their daytime family. And those night time hours must be approved by the new department that will regulate when your company can be open. Meanwhile we must pitch that idea as great to new companies that might wish to move their business here. That will take some fast talkin'. It would have a downside effect on economic growth. But opening the carpool lanes is a good idea, perhaps even assigning one lane for trucks only and not permitting them to use other lanes. If Arnold could get his budget "advance" he could have the state buy up all the toll roads and freeway lanes that charge money (from those private companies). That would give low income drivers more options which would relieve some of the traffic on roads now used by the public. Freeways are of course a form of socialism, so you might want to turn all the roads over to a private and very capitalistic company? eh? Like our hospitals. If we can have freeways for our cars why not free hospitals for everyone, paid for by the same resource. What's the difference? Opening one lane for everyone that is already partly used is not the answer that will meet the future demands when our population jumps up by a million or so more people. We cannot avoid building more freeways and highways, and they must find a way to do it faster so that it does not take years to install a mile of roadway. We must have a medical plan that people can afford, the costs have skyrocketed during the past 15 or 20 years. Insurance companies now have the right to refuse providing people with insurance if they work in construction jobs, and other occupations that are known to have a high rate of accidents. Insurance companies can pick what drugs they will pay for and which ones they will not pay for. A expensive drug that is often prescribed by Doctors might not be covered by the insurance policy. Many jobs do not provide insurance for their workers, and if they do the policy forces you to pay a percent of the expected cost of an operation in advance. If you cannot choke up thousands out of pocket you cannot get the needed treatment, even if the insurance would cover up to 5000 dollars of the cost. Others do not have any insurance because they cannot pay for it and still buy food for the family. Reason: The medical industry is charging way too much and can survive on the rich clients. But the point is that everyone should be able to get health care when it is needed, that is what we mean by haveing a culture or a country.

Which planks of the Communist Manifesto DON'T you support, may be a better question.

Techno said: Otherwise we might as well return to the 1930s depression era or let people croke in the cutter like they do in India. Do you want to walk down the street and see a bunch of sick people laying on the sidewalks with gravestone eyes? In America?

The absolute amount of tolerance it is taking me to type this, should be testament to how rude I am trying not to be.

You have no concept of what you are asking for, nor do I think you understand the impacts of what you speak, even upon yourself.

Have you any understanding whatsoever of economics, money or the connection between them and labor/property?