[shunyadragon]

Originally posted by PhanthomOps, Shunyadragon: Quote: "Using the Bible Christians rejected these in the past. If you accept the stars in the universe . . . ah, etc. Do you accept the universe, solar system and the earth are billions of years old?" Whether Christians of old and present reject this, I being bound to my Christian belief take by faith Genesis 1:1-25. I cannot prove nor disprove the actual age of creation which has no consequence to my faith. To me it is irrevelant, and only man's attempt to vainly prove his superior???? intellegence.

Still ducking and weaving. If you say you believe in science, you need not prove or disprove the age of the universe. The foundation of contemporary physics and cosmology is based on the fact that the universe is billions of years old and based on the sped of light it is billions of light years or more in size.

Quote: "Does not refer to the Bible. They refer to the word of God. The Bible was selectively compiled by the Romans long after these words were writen by men."

The Bible was written over an approximate 1500 year period. The book of Job actually preceeds all others in that no where in its' writings does it make mention of the "Law". The English Bible as we basically know it is derived from the "King James Bible" printed in 1611, long after the Roman Empire. Jeremiah 30:2-4 - "Thus speaks the Lord God of Israel, saying: Write in a book for yourself all the words that I have spoken to you - For Behold, the days are coming, says the Lors, that I will bring back from captivity My people Israel and Judah, says the Lord. And I will cause them to return to the land that I gave to their fathers, and they shall possess it - Now these are the words that the Lord spoke concerning Israel and Judah" John 20:31 - "but these are written that you may believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God, and that believinbg you may have life in His name" Revelation 22:18-19 "For I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone adds to these things, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book - and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part from the Book of Life, from the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book" To this, may I add "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness - that the man of God may be complete, throughly eqqiped for every good work" 2 Timothy 3:16-17 This/these word/words refer to what countless millions call the Bible. All Scripture directly refer to the Old and New Testaments.

All scripture does not refer to the Bible. Archeology is beginning to find many different sources of scripture. The Roman, Orthodox and Protestant Bibles are different, Can you provide some documentation other than faith that thes quotes refer to one specific set of scripture that you call the Bible.

PhanthomOps Quote: "widely contradicts itself"  Where ????? Quote: "Many places the following are only a few examples: (1) How many of each animal did Noah take into the Ark, besides the construction of the Ark is physically impossible and could not hold the required animals. Scriptue states that he was instructed by God to take 2 of every living creature (male & female). As to the size and whether by our (human) calculations is possible or not, it is irrevalent because is was accomplished. Moot Point. (2) The OT describes the slaughter of children and inocents for generations after the proported crimes were commited in many places. Other quotes say this is against the law of God. One must examine the Scriptures to understand what God's purpose was before critizing. Perhaps in order to preserve Israel and all peoples that would follow in time, He needed to eliminate the evil (Satin's) influence. Take Sodom and Gamorah. (3) NT gives conficting geneologies for Jesus and the order is switched." That does not in-and-of itself prove confliction. For instance there are a couple of DIFFERENCES between Genesis chapters 1 and 2. That does indicate confliction - just another account of the same series of events. You and I attend the same hockey game. You describe it one way and I another. Is that contradiction or a different way in describing the same event????

Still ducking and weaving. You failed to respond to any of the above clear and obvious contradictions. This is not a hockey game and if it is the inerrant word of God, it would not make any difference if two or more people say the same thing differently. (1) Is a clear example of the absolute wide spread contradiction of God's instruction for man. It is more serious than a hockey game. Clear and specific differences cannot be considered two different ways of describing one event. If we both were watching the same Hockey game, we would both see the same amount of players on each team, If we were reporting for the Bible, God would see to it that we got it write, because he apparently is the editor that sees it as inerrant from your point of view.