[Epistemologist]

Quote by: ByaKya Maybe we can write up a treaty of cooperation and non-agression [sic] = )

Often, treaties and mere words don't erase the actions of the past. Then again, maybe we can come to our own private deal.

Quote by: xyzer You may have tried Epist, but IMNSHO you failed? The cause is not anti Muslim! It is anti terrorist? It is an attempt to stop sympathetic funding and support for the actions of a few masquerading as perpetuators of a faith?

No, xyzer, I don't think I've failed. The issue isn't just about religious differences, it's about cultural differences. And what I've been saying is that those "few" terrorists and their sympathizers ought not be considered mindless lunatics, and that perhaps they have good reason to fight. I also mention that we're obviously going to act based on our own bias as well regardless of our injustice; we would attempt to stop them because our own survival is at stake.

And when I say Muslim, I mean it in the sense that Muslims have been "backed into a corner," so to speak, for many years. Any member of bona fide Muslim cultures who isn't pissed off yet is truly an anomaly.

Quote by: xyzer Your version of history is skewed also? e.g. the UN engineered the Partition of Palestine and the British complied by getting out.

Well, the British had possessed and oppressed the region after the fall of the Ottomans. And besides, they were responsible for the Balfour Declaration and other means of evicting Palestinian Muslims and making a Jewish Israel.

I mean, wouldn't you be pissed if Russia invaded South Carolina and established a state for Africans or Native Americans who say they have an inherent right to the region? If non-violent means fail, particularly when you're viewed as an inferior being, wouldn't you resort to other means of getting back your land and helping your culture survive?

Quote by: xyzer You blame the rest of the world,including the USA, for trying to oppress Islamic believers and not tolerating their belief system? Thats a stretch? There are over a billion Islamic believers in the world and the ones being saught/fought [sic] by the west are but a small fraction.

And they're fighting for the survival of their Muslim cultures.

Quote by: xyzer Isn't it more realistic to conclude that this small group of fanatic trouble makers could be easily silenced by other Muslims? Instead, the problem of international terrorism is enhanced by those in the Islamic world who tolerate and countenance it? The failing of the Islamic belief system seems to be its antagonistic attitude to non believers and the influence of hate filled passages in the Koran..the Islamic official message to believers? It contains passages that countenance terrorist type behavior...hate for Jews and unbelievers!

Like I said, any member of a Muslim culture who doesn't feel threatened by oppressive intruders is an anomaly; we could even say that they're not really members of their respective Muslim intersubjective collections and have instead "converted" in the cultural sense.

And many of the verses in the Koran are simply reflections of Islamic history, which is filled with encounters with intruders and those who have attempted to stop their way of life. Indeed, perhaps they wouldn't be peaceful even if no culture was infringing on them (hypothetically speaking, of course), but all cultures are inherently hostile towards others.

Quote by: xyzer This message of intolerance is part of the Islamic school curricula? It fires the problems in the middle east and elsewhere. A couple of poster on this thread ignore the fact! They sympathize with mindless violence against the inncent [sic] and rationalize it in the name of religion? Rationa;ize [sic] murder and mayhem in the name of a belief system?

You really think they're mindless monkeys who blindly follow a book? They're simply reacting to real events with optimal quasi-solutions. In a sense, they're simply responding to cultural stimuli.

Quote by: xyzer The blame game is their solace for supporting those who mindlessly kill non Muslims for a crazy cause/ Ever read any Muslim criticism of terrorist activities?

Like I said, I don't support the Muslim cultures since I'm not a member. I too, have experienced their attacks against my own culture. I'm just saying that from a relatively unbiased perspective, they've got a point.

Also, we should try to be humbler in our posts.