View Single Post
Old Jan 3, 2007, 09:43 am   #11 (permalink) (top)
Forthright
Molten Ash
 
Posts: 60
Quote:
Quote by: G. Adams View Post
Personally, I'd love to see it happen. Scotland is a net burden on England economically
Evidence?

This is actually propaganda and deliberate scaremongering by the Westminster Government over a number of years to undermine the argument for Scottish Independance. It comes from figures published by successive Governments, both Conservative and Labour, called GERS (Government Expenditure and Revenue in Scotland) which it was claimed were an independent assessment of the situation produced by civil servants without the political interference of ministers. It has since come to light that this was not the case. An extract from the then Secretary of State for Scotland, Ian Lang, makes this clear:

"The booklet I have had prepared and printed, setting out the details of the Government's expenditure and revenue in Scotland, I judge that it is just what is needed at present in our campaign to maintain our initiative and undermine the other parties."

The idea that Scotland is a "net burden" on the UK is patently rubbish. According to HM Treasury figures for the period 1975 to 1997 Scotland paid £27 Billion more in taxes than it received in expenditure. A fact which was suppressed by the Government until recently discovered under "Freedom of Information" legaislation.

You also seem completely ignorant of the current situation as to how Scotlands finances are run under devolution, which powers are devolved, which powers are "reserved" ie remain the province of the UK Government, and how the Barnett Formula works.

As an example, Defence is a "reserved" power ie the responsibility of Defence for the whole of the UK rests with the Westminster Government. It is only right therefore that a constituent part of the UK elects members of that Parliament to oversee how that defence is run is it not? This is particularly so when despite the fact that most Scots object to their presence, the UK Government insists on stationing its Trident Nuclear Deterrent on a Scottish river, the Clyde. Thats just one example. Employment. the EU, National Security, Broadcast Policy, Civil Service, Social Security, Constitutional Matters, Energy Policy, Foreign Policy, Transport & Safety Legislation are all reseved matters to be decided upon by a UK Parliament. Are you seriously suggesting that Scots should have no say in any of these matters which clearly affect all Scots? Furthermore, the powers which are devolved, ie purely Scottish matters such as Education, Health, Agriculture & Fisheries etc are funded out of Scottish taxation (The Scottish Parliament has the power to vary the rate of Income Tax above or below what is charged in the rest of the UK) and the Barnett Formula. I will grant that you have a point that MP's representing Scottish Constituencies should not be voting on matters which relate purely to England & Wales (ie Education) but surely this is an argument FOR full Scottish Independance, not against it.

You also don't seem to understand how funding for Scotland works under devolution using the Barnett Formula, or the "Barnett Squeeze" as it is called in Scotland for good reason. This formula is designed to ensure that public expenditure in Scotland goes up by less than it does in the rest of the UK. For example, if public spending in the UK, excluding Scotland, were to rise by say 10% then the yield to Scotland via the Barnett Squeeze would only be 8.1%. The formula is designed to ensure that Scotland gets the same or less than England, not more.
Forthright is offline   Reply With Quote