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arielmessenger · Dec 31, 2006, 05:57 pm

--Vegetarianism isn't holding humanity back.

"It sure isn`t. Flesh consumption is. That refusal to embrace vegetarianism at the moment is just one of the factors of the 6 which I listed."

What has eating vegetables have to do with humanity? Hitler was your vegetarian and he's a role model for humanity?

--If vegetarianism was the human answer Neaderthals would be ruling us now.

"Neanderthals had an omniverous diet just as homo sapiens did."

Neaderthals were a throwback to earlier primate physiogomy but with larger brains. Still, the heavy molars and general beefed up strength indicates a more vegetarian diet like gorillas. Larger size, stronger limbs, equal brain size, yet Neaderthals are not with us today. Why is that?

--We owe our human intelligence to our carnivore instincts because in the animal world, it is the predators who are smart.

"LOL! Gorillas test much higher at intelligence than wolves or lions. Some have even learned sign language. Read a short reference about Koko the gorilla at this Christian site I chose just for you about halfway down here at Christianity Today."

Proves my point. Gorillas never evolved beyond gorillahood. Meat-eating hominids did evolve because they were smarter.

--There is truly on One Way to bring human beings into full humanity, into being truly humane beings. That is understanding the ultimate sacrifice of ego model Jesus provided the world

"No proof he existed. No proof that what is in the Bible is the Word of God. Faith is not proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Until then they are not valid points to submit for an argument, let alone rest an argument on."

Every Christian must create their own "Jesus" because you are right, no proof exists to verify the man's reality other than words written about him by others long after the fact. However, what cannot be dismissed or discredited is the fact that Something hit the Holy Land around 2000 years ago that inspired many writers to tell their stories of Jesus Christ. This may be all we will ever have to go on, a Spirit of Christ, but that's enough if it is truly of God's intention to provide the world with the ultimate image and icon of self-sacrifice for the benefit of others.

I myself believe the Talmud's slanderous accounts of Yeishu ben Pantera are likely to be as close to the historical Jesus as we will get just as the "Q" Sayings found in the Synoptic Gospels and Thomas are as close to the authentic teachings of Yeishu that we are likely to get. Still, the Spirit of Christ in the Story of Jesus Christ is powerful enough to stand on its own. Myths can motivate humanity, change human behavior, as much as real events. Just look at how Jewish myths of origin affected the development of Western Civilization.

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arielmessenger BANNED Posts: 701	Jesus and veggies vs. carnies --Vegetarianism isn't holding humanity back. "It sure isn`t. Flesh consumption is. That refusal to embrace vegetarianism at the moment is just one of the factors of the 6 which I listed." What has eating vegetables have to do with humanity? Hitler was your vegetarian and he's a role model for humanity? --If vegetarianism was the human answer Neaderthals would be ruling us now. "Neanderthals had an omniverous diet just as homo sapiens did." Neaderthals were a throwback to earlier primate physiogomy but with larger brains. Still, the heavy molars and general beefed up strength indicates a more vegetarian diet like gorillas. Larger size, stronger limbs, equal brain size, yet Neaderthals are not with us today. Why is that? --We owe our human intelligence to our carnivore instincts because in the animal world, it is the predators who are smart. "LOL! Gorillas test much higher at intelligence than wolves or lions. Some have even learned sign language. Read a short reference about Koko the gorilla at this Christian site I chose just for you about halfway down here at Christianity Today." Proves my point. Gorillas never evolved beyond gorillahood. Meat-eating hominids did evolve because they were smarter. --There is truly on One Way to bring human beings into full humanity, into being truly humane beings. That is understanding the ultimate sacrifice of ego model Jesus provided the world "No proof he existed. No proof that what is in the Bible is the Word of God. Faith is not proof. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. Until then they are not valid points to submit for an argument, let alone rest an argument on." Every Christian must create their own "Jesus" because you are right, no proof exists to verify the man's reality other than words written about him by others long after the fact. However, what cannot be dismissed or discredited is the fact that Something hit the Holy Land around 2000 years ago that inspired many writers to tell their stories of Jesus Christ. This may be all we will ever have to go on, a Spirit of Christ, but that's enough if it is truly of God's intention to provide the world with the ultimate image and icon of self-sacrifice for the benefit of others. I myself believe the Talmud's slanderous accounts of Yeishu ben Pantera are likely to be as close to the historical Jesus as we will get just as the "Q" Sayings found in the Synoptic Gospels and Thomas are as close to the authentic teachings of Yeishu that we are likely to get. Still, the Spirit of Christ in the Story of Jesus Christ is powerful enough to stand on its own. Myths can motivate humanity, change human behavior, as much as real events. Just look at how Jewish myths of origin affected the development of Western Civilization.