[The Bacon Guy]

Quote by: Epistemologist Your whole response was that I should "prove it" that spanking isn't bad. Well, what "proof" do you want? Psychological studies? "Experiments" done by researchers with an agenda? The truth is, you can't give me any totally unbiased studies, and I probably can't either. There are some good studies from many of the people I named, but how can we tell good from bad?

So neither of our views can be supported by evidence. This however does not leave us on equal footing. It is you that is proposing to infringe upon a person's basic human rights, so it is up to you to prove that the greater good in the name of which you do this will be achieved.

Quote by: Epistemologist And yes, spanking has a potential to be harmful if people like you yell fire and call even parental discipline "abuse." You convince kids they have a problem.

It is shown to be potentially harmful and we have no way of determining in which cases it will be harmful. So your solution is to go blindly and do it anyway? Brilliant...

Quote by: Epistemologist Not when the spanking that occurs is actually meant to be a conditioning stimuli.

You have already stated that the evidence cannot be used to support either of our viewpoints.

Your view in this and other threads amounts to infringing upon people’s rights for some arbitrarily determined “greater good”. I disagree with this entirely, but obviously I can’t prove my opinion to be right any more than you can your’s.

What I can say is that if you are going to infringe upon a person’s rights and possibly cause them long term harm in the name of achieving a greater good, you had better be damn sure that this greater good will actually be achieved. This is something which you have already acknowledged you cannot do.

Quote by: Epistemologist I'm betting most of these so-called researchers and maybe even you have been convinced that they were beaten up or traumatized in their childhood. Or maybe they're just New Agers.

Ad Hominem. Less of it please.

Quote by: Epistemologist Whatever it is, there's nothing wrong with spanking kids particularly in their developmental years, when it's actually the best option.

Another unsubstantiated statement? Dear me…

Quote by: Epistemologist And so, I stick with all the statements I said before. You just don't get it, and you just won't get it.

I get what you are saying; you have just failed to make a convincing case for it,