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Quote by: Fonceai Part a) fails. I agree that God would know and God would be able to stop, but where it fails is on the word want. |
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Quote by: Fonceai Part b) fails. This, again, is assuming motivation on behalf of God. |
Does 'omnibevolent' ring a bell? You know, the whole "wanting good things for people" thing? And how suffering is a bad thing?
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Quote by: Fonceai That's assuming motivation, and thus defining God. |
Which is a perfectly OK thing. We define God as omnipotent, omniscient, and omnibenevolent, because that's what's been claimed in the Bible.
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Quote by: Fonceai It's not that God is incapable of proving his existence. It's that God chooses not to. |
That agrees with my point, not refutes it. My argument relates to why God chooses not to.
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Much of these arguements including the one's focused arround theists version of god can be countered by the logic that if YOU were god wanting to test the faith of your creations would you REALLY give them certain truth?
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How does Hell test anyone's faith? It just hurts people. And I have issues with testing faith at the expense of lots and lots of needless suffering (as should an omnibenevolent God)
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Quote by: Fonceai The Bible really never claims god is all-loving. |
Ahem...
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Quote by: Psalm 86:15 But you, O Lord, are a compassionate and gracious God, slow to anger, abounding in love and faithfulness. |
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Quote by: Lamentations 3:22 Because of the LORD's great love we are not consumed, for his compassions never fail. |
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Quote by: Micah 7:18-19 Who is a God like you,
who pardons sin and forgives the transgression
of the remnant of his inheritance?
You do not stay angry forever
but delight to show mercy.
19 You will again have compassion on us;
you will tread our sins underfoot
and hurl all our iniquities into the depths of the sea. |
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Quote by: 2 Corinthians 1:3 3Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, the Father of compassion and the God of all comfort |
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