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Quote by: Epistemologist  My position is based on observations of the corruptive effects of selfishness. I've been doing some anthropology and thus numerous cultural analyses. And I see where you're coming from, but to allow too much just for sake of allowing stuff isn't a good position because it denies potential for aesthetic betterment.
Also, forgive me for my rudeness in the previous post, but I was pissed off by your unwarranted insults. What I did was not wrong; we're really just giving opinions back and forth. And don't appeal to emotion and stuff by comparing me to Communists, etc. So, I'm sorry about that incident, but I still think my position is most optimal. |
What things made you arrive at your position? What corruptive effects have you noticed that are based ONLY from selfishness (not from laziness, immorality, or short-sightedness)? Allow too much? What are you afraid of, not having a government dictate to everyone what they are and are not allowed to do, like the good subjects they are?
Exactly what "aesthetic betterment" is it that you keep referring to. Must be something pretty important to you since you've used the jargon twice though, however with no more definition than a vague "feeling".
I really don't mind insults as much as I'm sure the moderators do (wouldn't want anyone to be offended now, would we), but I shall forgive you when you formally either retract your statements or explain them. If you're apologizing I'm to assume that you're retracting some of your statements?
Most optimal? How does optimization fit into morality, exactly? Do you mean your position is correct? Don't be afraid to drop the newspeak and say what you mean... "I still think I'm correct". I'm sure you do, all I'm asking for is the reasons behind why you believe as such. Why do you think you're correct? This is a debate board and understanding the reasons behind something is the quintessential cornerstone for debate. I'm just trying to get to an objective point.
Post Edit: Something I wanted to point out. By no means do I think man always does the right and moral thing if given the choice. However by the existene of organized society continuing every day in a progressive fashion (more than less, I'm well aware there's giant ghosts in the closet that hold back how fast we progress) it is apparent that the majority of people work towards a good, contstructive end. I don't think its right making laws that punish everyone for a few evil mens' actions. I think normal society can be trusted with a LOT more than they currently are, and that they SHOULD and WILL be. Eventually, anyway.