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Quote by: Lullaby Chainer This makes no sense. Please elaborate.
No, "Logic and cause/effect only exist in a world where something exists," does not support your claim. If you need me to explain why it doesn't, just let me know. |
Its commonsense...your argument is the one that doesnt make sense to me.
Cause and Effect merely describes an aspect of this world. They are actions. For example, if I flip a light switch (action) this is the cause. The effect of which is that a light is turned on (another action). Cause and effect is merely a way to describe the sequence and result of actions and for this reason they can only exist if there is already something existing which is capable of action. The existence of something capable of action precedes the action, so it is that existence precedes cause. If we assume God, then He is eternal and the one thing that has always existed. That makes Him the first cause as well, the first entity which is capable of cause. Cause and effect exist because God exist, they are the result of God and so it cannot be said that they precede God.
Logic refers to a formal thought process. Ultimately it is based on contradiction. That which contradicts itself negates itself and thus non-existent, the rest proceeds from this. Its nothing more than a tool to describe and come to conclusions about reality, either something exists or it doesnt, either something is true or it is not, and so on. So lets use this tool called logic for one second.
Since there is existence, that means something must always have existed. Something does not come from absolute nothing. So there must be something eternal. Assuming God is to assume the characteristics that make Him God. Characteristics such as being eternal...and so forth. As God is eternal then He has always existed. Therefore it is illogical to claim that logic precedes Him as there is no "prior" existence in which God has not existed. He has always been and always will, just as logic always has and always will because something exists. God and logic therefore exist simultaneously.