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Old Dec 1, 2006, 08:20 am   #8 (permalink) (top)
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Although a bit off topic I will add to my above comments the following ideas.
Oh, goody. More fantasy.
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The body can change somewhat due to changes in the gene pattern. The other poster suggested this is caused by "random addition or deleted" gene mutations. Random meaning what? That is anyone's guess.
No it's not. Random means random, i.e., stochastic. There are several kinds of mutations, point mutations, insertions, deletions (indels, both of which cause frame shift mutations if they occur in the coding section of a gene), crossovers, inversions, and so on. Mutations aren't a change in pattern so much as a change in the sequence of the bases in the DNA. It is impossible to predict when or where in the genome a mutation might happen. Mutations are random.
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That is anyone's guess. Now the term "random" might work for an overall blanket perception.
Actually it works quite well as a description for any changes in the genome of an organism. It isn't a "perception", blanket or otherwise. It is a descriptive term used in reference to changes in the genome of an organism.
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But when you get down to each single alteration in a gene we could likewise a particular cause for that change. Even if accidental it is still a particular cause for the effect taking place.
Random does not mean uncaused. Even though we may be aware of the cause for a particular change, it still occurs randomly. But, what exactly does it mean to "likewise a particular cause?"
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Example: if fish is brain food then eating fish might improve one's ability to think, but do genes effect the brain or the other way around? Or both ways.

Are people in Japan who eat a lot of fish smarter then cowboys who eat a lot of hambugers? Hmm?
Bad example since eating fish offers no advantage to the brain over any other kind of protein. You see, your premise is invalid and therefore your argument is nonsense. Fish isn't brain food. You're a superstitious sort too, aren't you?
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But that is not my point anyway.
Good, because so far you don't seem to have a point.
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My question is "what causes those seemingly ramdom changes in our genes or DNA"? Or do those changes occur for no particular reason at all?
First of all, do you even understand the distinction between genes and DNA? And I have already explained that even though mutations have causes, they are still random. Random does not mean uncaused. In fact, there are many causes for mutations.
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A Rattlesnake evolved the use of posion fangs where as other snakes living in the same enironmental locations did not. Hmm? Why some and not all?
What's a "posion fang?" What's an "enironmental location?"
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Were those differences created by gene pool mutations or not? Do we wish to believe in limited evolution or do we wish to go "all the way" by thinking that each kind of snake evolved and alternated from one common ancestor?
I wonder what your point is. What is "limited evolution" and why would that logically mean that snakes do not descend from a common ancestral population?
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That the tiny domestic kitty and the lion both had common roots, all somehow united as a "family" with their own original "Eve cat" way back then?
Way back when?
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Now you can have tiny cats and big cats living in the same environments for thousands of years and so adaptation to the environment would leave open some room for doubt.
You're making that up. Why would you ever believe that a domestic cat lives in the same environment as a lion or a tiger? You don't think much before you speak, do you?
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However the word "random" as a cuase tells us nothing, it is nearly useless.
It tells anyone who actually understands English words a lot. What's a "cuase?"
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And so I came up with another idea that I cannot prove. Here it is.
Of course you can't prove it. Like all of your other ideas, you can't even offer evidence. You just have these tooth fairy sort of fantasies that you spew out mindlessly.
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Some evolutionary changes are caused by a natual factor called "yearning".
Oh! Lamarckism. Debunked over 100 years ago. By the way, what's a "natual factor?"
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Yearning is like wishing upon a star but does not demand thinking.
Well, that's good for you. No thinking involved.
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Without even knowing that they are doing it creatures can yearn for this or that so that can have some advantage, security, or ability. Need generates that yearning. Once an eel was in rough waters and yearned for some help and at that moment the principle of electrical currents was unused, so the eel was able to adopt that principle and it became an electric eel. Somehow the yearning could manifest a principle such as electricity in the animals body.
What does rough waters have to do with helping an eel, and why aren't all eels electric?
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For such events to happen the world (nature) had to have "fomulative stages" like those of young children. As nature became mature those drastic changes slowed down because it was no longer in that formuative stage of evolution.

If the yearning did not effect such internal manifestations (alterations) then the "crying out for help" was answered by a larger memory bank in nature, as discribed by Peter Russell. (book - the Global Brain). I will not suggest "God" becuase this is not a religious debate forum. Although we do have evidence of praying humans that evolved higher then the Chimps and so forth, they also ate more fish - like smart Dolphins do.

However most everything eats fish and not everything is as smart as I is.
Certainly not. Just the great apes and the whales and dolphins are smarter than you are.
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But in fact people did and do yearn to know everything, and that yearning which started back just before recorded history has spearheaded us on towards our present day intelligent status. I guess those chimps just yearned to monkey around.
You would understand a chimps mentality better than I.
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Now back to the background data for this concept. The DNA strand is like an informational collective antenna and it can recieve and download info from out of the blue - from that memory bank surrounding the planet. Morphic Field? That DNA stand is like a tree of knowledge that programs the rest of the body in co-operation with the brain. And becomes a generational communicator of knowledge due to reproduction. That is - knowledge in use - not book knowledge.

The yearning ties in with that informational highway called our DNA - data base.
What tripe. When you say that the DNA can download info from out of the blue, do you mean that it can mutate randomly?
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If a monkey in Africa learns a new way to crack open shells then in the next generation the monkeys in South America will "know the same trick". That is because the DNA antenna of the South American monkey can pick up that info from that global memory bank.
Have you ever heard of learning? Try it some time.
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Yearning works like a gravity force that pulls data from out of that cosmic like memory bank, so that it can be used or manifested into being by the creature yearning for some sort of help.
Most of your babble is pure nonsense. What isn't pure nonsense was debunked over 100 years ago.


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