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Old Nov 29, 2006, 03:31 pm   #12 (permalink) (top)
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A person without the ability to have faith can not pursue investigating a phenomena which has no present basis of real world perception. We have five senses, if you want to consider things outside of those five senses you must have the concept of faith.
You, sir, have confused "faith" with logic. It is logic that allows us to make comparisons, the basis for all inquiry. "Faith" is belief without evidence. I do not have "faith" that X = X & X =/= Y. They are demonstrable.

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You have faith that the models described to you have enough validation to them to do something constructive. Like keeping yourself from being electrocuted.
Again, you have confused faith with logic. What keeps me safe from electrocution is the logical deductions and comparisons made from experiences with / explanations of electricity.

If I relied on "faith" to keep me safe from electricity, you'd probably see me sticking my finger into an electrical socket sure that some force would stop me from being harmed. i.e. It wouldn't work.

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If a person truely has no faith in anything, I have the faith that they will probably have a short life as running in front of a moving car will probably end their life. Though I've never done it my self of course.
On the contrary. As I've established, it is logic and our natural preservation instincts which keep us safe. It's faith which causes people to be bit by snakes when they try to handle them, get shot by bullets when they think their god is protecting them, and generally injure themselves horrifically.

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Faith is a necessary element of investigation and learning.
You're not describing faith. You're describing logic.

EDIT: Good effort, but you still haven't explained how internal convictions are useful for explaining the natural world around us.
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