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prettyredhead · May 6, 2004, 04:05 pm

Are you saying it is better for a kid to be homeless than adopted into the care of a working mother?
**No, it is better for couples wanting to adopt to make sure that one parent stays home with the kids. And too many "Mom's" want to work, rather than HAVE to work. The school needs you, the kids need you home. Not working, when at all possible.

I disagree. Shame should not be placed on those who take over for others who did not act responsibly. It is an act of mercy towards the child. Do you see it as shameful because you are prejudiced based on age?
****Then, explain to me why those who seek to adopt, want a baby. Not an older child. I say, you get NO choice in ages. Babies are rare, and if you get one, great ! If not, you parent a child who needs you, regardless of the age. I am not predjuduced against age. I am pred. against those who seek ONE TYPE of age. 0-12 months only. [quote=prettyredhead,]

Or they want to end the killing to save those lives. Or maybe there are individuals with different reasons.
***Again, they can save kids from having no parents at all. If they were really concerned about kids, not just fetuses. They can save ALOT of older kids. Lets not forget them. Dont you understand that in order to rid women of abortion alternatives, we MUST find a solution to the kids already here. Why cant you agree that is a real problem.

Or it is a value over human life and compassion for our kind. Taking on a new dependant doesn't sound like a wise choice for the greedy.
**Then why do they wait until a baby is available. It is greedy to only want one kind of child, and not another. Age should NOT matter.

Or they want to raise a baby to an adult as a parent. The choice to adopt is a choice to parent.
*** I KNOW that most want the whole ordeal of raising from infantcy.BUT it is not always possible. People are waiting until they are 40+ because they wait in vain for a baby. I understand that they want a baby, I am mother to 3. But , it is not always POSSIBLE if you want to avoid being wheeled into the kids HS graduation.

[And there are people who adopt older children too.
***But, not enough people. There needs to be more. You should not get a choice in age. Match them to 3 kids, you may decline any or all, but then, back to the bottom of the list you go. Sometimes they are infants, sometimes not.

I've only heard wanted kids say that. Often they were pampered to the point of being spoiled. I know adopted people who are happy to be here.
***NOt all adoptees say that, but many parentless kids do. They want a family so bad, they would cut off their own arms if it made them find a home faster.

She doesn't have to keep it.
***No, but she is the one who must carry it, get sick with it, take off work with it, and then hand it over to a stranger. You over estimate the ability to do that. Most women cannot do that, they might as well keep it then after all that. Dont you get it?

It is 2 bodies.
**Not quite yet. It has no rights that the mother doesnt have. It is part of her body. Nice try.

That should be recommended, not required. If you require it then how do they know someone adopted them because they wanted them and not because they had to in order to have a new kid? When someone adopts them despite the option of adopting a new kid, it shows they are wanted.
*** But, then again people are allowed to place a value on age. They do not HAVE to adopt an older child. They can refuse, and they do, but to be fair to all kids, then they should be placed at a lower priority, and when a baby becomes available, then they will get a call. I would have liked to think that they would take whatever kids they could. But I over estimate compassion in people. My bad.

[So do you believe abortion should be mandatory until all homeless kids are adopted?
***Not mandatory, silly, just keep it legal until we find more homes for all other born kids first. How can a fetus have more rights than a living, breathing, self sufficient child? A citizen?

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prettyredhead Igneous Magma Posts: 336	Are you saying it is better for a kid to be homeless than adopted into the care of a working mother? No, it is better for couples wanting to adopt to make sure that one parent stays home with the kids. And too many "Mom's" want to work, rather than HAVE to work. The school needs you, the kids need you home. Not working, when at all possible. I disagree. Shame should not be placed on those who take over for others who did not act responsibly. It is an act of mercy towards the child. Do you see it as shameful because you are prejudiced based on age? Then, explain to me why those who seek to adopt, want a baby. Not an older child. I say, you get NO choice in ages. Babies are rare, and if you get one, great ! If not, you parent a child who needs you, regardless of the age. I am not predjuduced against age. I am pred. against those who seek ONE TYPE of age. 0-12 months only. [quote=prettyredhead,] Or they want to end the killing to save those lives. Or maybe there are individuals with different reasons. Again, they can save kids from having no parents at all. If they were really concerned about kids, not just fetuses. They can save ALOT of older kids. Lets not forget them. Dont you understand that in order to rid women of abortion alternatives, we MUST find a solution to the kids already here. Why cant you agree that is a real problem. Or it is a value over human life and compassion for our kind. Taking on a new dependant doesn't sound like a wise choice for the greedy. Then why do they wait until a baby is available. It is greedy to only want one kind of child, and not another. Age should NOT matter. Or they want to raise a baby to an adult as a parent. The choice to adopt is a choice to parent. I KNOW that most want the whole ordeal of raising from infantcy.BUT it is not always possible. People are waiting until they are 40+ because they wait in vain for a baby. I understand that they want a baby, I am mother to 3. But , it is not always POSSIBLE if you want to avoid being wheeled into the kids HS graduation. [And there are people who adopt older children too. But, not enough people. There needs to be more. You should not get a choice in age. Match them to 3 kids, you may decline any or all, but then, back to the bottom of the list you go. Sometimes they are infants, sometimes not. I've only heard wanted kids say that. Often they were pampered to the point of being spoiled. I know adopted people who are happy to be here. NOt all adoptees say that, but many parentless kids do. They want a family so bad, they would cut off their own arms if it made them find a home faster. She doesn't have to keep it. No, but she is the one who must carry it, get sick with it, take off work with it, and then hand it over to a stranger. You over estimate the ability to do that. Most women cannot do that, they might as well keep it then after all that. Dont you get it? It is 2 bodies. Not quite yet. It has no rights that the mother doesnt have. It is part of her body. Nice try. That should be recommended, not required. If you require it then how do they know someone adopted them because they wanted them and not because they had to in order to have a new kid? When someone adopts them despite the option of adopting a new kid, it shows they are wanted. But, then again people are allowed to place a value on age. They do not HAVE to adopt an older child. They can refuse, and they do, but to be fair to all kids, then they should be placed at a lower priority, and when a baby becomes available, then they will get a call. I would have liked to think that they would take whatever kids they could. But I over estimate compassion in people. My bad. [So do you believe abortion should be mandatory until all homeless kids are adopted? *Not mandatory, silly, just keep it legal until we find more homes for all other born kids first. How can a fetus have more rights than a living, breathing, self sufficient child? A citizen?